From the beach
“A Morning Coffee Notes podcast done on the Archos on the beach, while tanning. Only ten minutes, but packed with stuff about weblogs.com, KYOU and podcasting for love.”
Dave is recording a podcast from the beach in Florida, where he is enjoying the warm weather and relaxing. He discusses some recent updates he made to weblogs.com, including adding extended ping functionality. Winer also mentions his plans to release an application called iPodder.root that will allow people to easily download podcasts without needing to understand how to program Frontier. He then criticizes a segment on the Talk of the Nation radio show where the host could not understand why people would create and distribute podcasts for free, arguing that people do it for the love of it and because it’s fun and interesting, not just for money. Winer plans to submit this podcast to the San Francisco radio station KYOU that is experimenting with distributing podcasts.
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Good morning everybody. This is
Dave Winer. I’m coming to you
from the beach today.
I’m actually literally lying on the beach right now. I’ve been sitting out here for about 45 minutes.
I was lying on my back for the first 45 minutes with lots of suntan oil and I went swimming.
I was listening to Talk of the Nation on NPR and now I’m lying on my stomach and getting sun on my back.
Maybe you can hear the waves in the background. You can hear a little bit of wind. It’s not all that windy today.
Since I’m in Florida, on the east coast of Florida, we’re allowed to drive on the beach here.
You may hear an occasional car come by every once in a while.
You also will hear me tap on the screen of my Archos. I don ’t know if it’s an Archos or an Arcos.
I don’t know. I’ll call it either. I also have a cold today and it’s got a coffee scratchy sort of sore throaty sort of thing going on.
I’m not working too much. I did make the relatively simple change to weblogs. com this morning.
It was already handling the extended ping functionality.
There are some fire ants crawling around on this.
I’m going to get bit soon. Fire ants are one of the big bummers . The climate here is just so comfortable.
It’s incredibly comfortable. It ’s like maybe 70 degrees right now.
When you’ve got a cold, it’s nice to just be able to go bake out in the sun. The only bummer is the fire ants.
I did the weblogs. com thing this morning. All that happened , I didn’t write this up. I have to try to remember to write this up.
It’s not just that the blogging tool guys should support it, the extended ping.
It’s also people like the cod ers at Techerati, or Feedster, or Pub/Sub, or Findery, Blogger y, those guys.
Now, for those feeds where we get the RSS URL along with the extended ping, you don’t have to go hunting around looking for the RSS feed now.
It’s kind of nice. It saves a little bit of work and maybe saves a lot of work.
Maybe for some guys that don’t want to do the hunting around looking for the stuff.
Here’s another source of some R SS feeds for you. There you go.
Nice little feature.
Another thing I want to do is I have a thing called iPodder.
root, which I use to download podcasts.
I’m going to get that thing into shape to release. This is an application that runs inside of Frontier or Radio.
It will also run inside of my O PML editor, and if that ever does actually ship.
It’s got some nice features, not much of a UI.
One of the things I want to do that’s also on my to-do list is to get a standard download for just people who want to install these tools without having to understand how to program Frontier.
I want a nice little faceless iPodder that’s going to put some podcasts on a folder for me somewhere.
Maybe on my Archos or Arcos, depending on how you pronounce it.
You can make work with an iPod too. That’s not a big deal.
There you go. What I want to talk about, other than the things that I already have talked about today.
Just listened to Talk of the Nation, and they had a segment on there on KYOU, which is the radio station in San Francisco that’s going to… Technically speaking, they’re not really doing podcasts.
Podcasting is like internet technology. It’s cool to be able to distribute amateur radio shows that are done on MP 3s that come off the internet and then broadcast them.
That’s cool, but it’s not exactly podcasting because podcasting implies that you’re subscribing to something.
The something that you’re subscribing to is an RSS 2. 0 feed with enclosures.
I don’t know if I mentioned this, but you’ll hear me tapping, maybe hear me tapping from time to time because that ’s how I keep this thing from going to sleep on me.
I’m still not sure exactly how that happens or when it happens .
Whenever the screen goes blank, I’m going to tap the screen and make it come back.
You’ll hear that tap and it kind of sucks, but hey, there are worse things like lying on the beach or hearing somebody lying on the beach.
Working on my tan while I’m doing a podcast, there’s a sound bite for you.
I’m going to submit this one to KYOU because almost all the podcasts that go on there are probably just going to be talking about KYOU.
They had a calling thing where people said, “Hey, what would you like to talk about on KYOU ?” Well, they missed it.
Actually, as usual, the callers were so much smarter than the guy on The Goddamn Show.
Oh my God, he couldn’t understand why would somebody do this stuff for free.
The answer is Neil, Neil Conan.
Neil, they do it for love. They do it because they love what they’re doing.
They had a reporter from, I think it was Grand Rapids, not Grand Rapids, North Dakota.
It’s just there. I can’t remember.
There were Rapids 4, Grand 4, something like that, North Dakota, South Dakota, one of those places.
It was South Dakota, that’s right, because they had just covered, she was a reporter who had just covered the whole Tom Dashel race and had all these hours of recorded interviews and she says, “Well, I’m going to put those things out on a podcast, me and my husband,” she said.
And Neil Conan couldn’t understand, well, he said, " Well, I understand why you did the interviews, because, you know, somebody was paying you to do it, but I can’t understand why you ’d put it out as a podcast. " And he said, “Well, because it ’s fun and because it’s interesting. " And, you know, hey, that’s, come on, Neil, that’s a good reason.
I mean, why do you go skiing? Why do you hang out at the beach? Why do you drink a beer on a warm Saturday afternoon, because it’s fun and because it ’s interesting? It makes you feel good, you know, that’s why you do stuff.
Sure, you do some stuff, because it makes money, because it pays, you know.
But I guess it’s a fun idea that people would, like, do stuff, because, you know, do the stuff that professionals do .
I mean, maybe they would even pay to do it, you know.
I know, it’s like, it’s fun, it ’s fun.
And it’s fun to share things with people and to get to know them and share what you know.
When people like to shovel off and make new friends and you meet people who like the same things that you do.
And that’s cool, that’s another reason.
It’s fun, it’s interesting, and it’s cool, it’s cool.
We forgot how cool it is, you know, it’s cool.
I’m going to say it again, it’s cool.
Or it’s cool.
Anyway, I’m going to send this up to KYOU, and hopefully they ’ll play it, because that’s all anybody’s going to talk about, KYOU is KY OU.
And it’s cool that they’re doing distribution to podcasts.
It’s cool that the entertainment industry says, hey, we’re going to let the people do the programming.
That’s going to go someplace for sure.
Let’s just hope that some of those guys actually listen to it.
Even if they don’t listen to it , we still have the internet.
The internet is great, and we don’t need the stinking ads.
We don’t need the commercial distribution.
We don’t need the radio stations.
And it’s okay to do this stuff, even if you don’t get paid to do it.
So, you know, you heard it here , and of course, you won’t just hear it here.
It’s just, you know, it’s the way things work.
So, what else do we want to talk about? Well, okay, iPod. root is coming out.
I want to do an install thing so people can throw a copy front here on their server and run some of these apps that I’m coming out with.
There’s going to be a backend that does these OPML director ies.
That’s something I want to do.
And I’ve got my PDA version of scripting news.
That’s pda. scripting. com.
And that’s pretty general, so you can use it to, like, do any OPML, any website that comes out in O PML, you can do that with.
You can run something like pda.
scripting. com.
I’m going to make that better over time.
I’ve got some ideas on how to do that.
And I don’t know, maybe that’s about it.
Oh, you know, commercials, ads, that seems to be in the air these days.
It’s okay if Engadget wants to put ads on their podcasts or on their RSS feeds.
And so far, I’m still subscribed.
I haven’t subscribed to anything, but I’ve sort of been tempted to do that once or twice.
Maybe we’ll do it. Maybe we won ’t.
Anyway, I wanted to do a podcast from the beach, and this is a nine-minute sort of, like, real quick thing.
I’m going to submit this to KY OU, and maybe they’ll run some part of it on KYOU.
Maybe you’re hearing this on the radio, and who wouldn’t want to be on the radio in the Bay Area where everybody can hear them.
In 10 minutes, that’s pretty much got to be a pretty good length for this stuff.
So there you have it coming to you from the beach in the first coast of Florida.
This is Dave Winer. It’s, oh, I forgot to say, it’s April 28 th, 2005.
And this is Morning Coffee Notes, www. morningcoffinotes.
com/rss. xml.
And here comes a car coming by, and that’s the car that’s coming by.
Let’s hear if maybe you can hear it. Here it comes.
Yeah, and now I’m going to slow down a little bit and talk a little bit more slowly.
That was the fast talking Dave podcast voice, and, oh, fuck it , let’s just keep it fast.
So we’ll see you all next time.
It’s been wonderful. Hope you ’re doing great.
Take care. Bye.
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I’m actually literally lying on the beach right now. I’ve been sitting out here for about 45 minutes.
I was lying on my back for the first 45 minutes with lots of suntan oil and I went swimming.
I was listening to Talk of the Nation on NPR and now I’m lying on my stomach and getting sun on my back.
Maybe you can hear the waves in the background. You can hear a little bit of wind. It’s not all that windy today.
Since I’m in Florida, on the east coast of Florida, we’re allowed to drive on the beach here.
You may hear an occasional car come by every once in a while.
You also will hear me tap on the screen of my Archos. I don ’t know if it’s an Archos or an Arcos.
I don’t know. I’ll call it either. I also have a cold today and it’s got a coffee scratchy sort of sore throaty sort of thing going on.
I’m not working too much. I did make the relatively simple change to weblogs. com this morning.
It was already handling the extended ping functionality.
There are some fire ants crawling around on this.
I’m going to get bit soon. Fire ants are one of the big bummers . The climate here is just so comfortable.
It’s incredibly comfortable. It ’s like maybe 70 degrees right now.
When you’ve got a cold, it’s nice to just be able to go bake out in the sun. The only bummer is the fire ants.
I did the weblogs. com thing this morning. All that happened , I didn’t write this up. I have to try to remember to write this up.
It’s not just that the blogging tool guys should support it, the extended ping.
It’s also people like the cod ers at Techerati, or Feedster, or Pub/Sub, or Findery, Blogger y, those guys.
Now, for those feeds where we get the RSS URL along with the extended ping, you don’t have to go hunting around looking for the RSS feed now.
It’s kind of nice. It saves a little bit of work and maybe saves a lot of work.
Maybe for some guys that don’t want to do the hunting around looking for the stuff.
Here’s another source of some R SS feeds for you. There you go.
Nice little feature.
Another thing I want to do is I have a thing called iPodder.
root, which I use to download podcasts.
I’m going to get that thing into shape to release. This is an application that runs inside of Frontier or Radio.
It will also run inside of my O PML editor, and if that ever does actually ship.
It’s got some nice features, not much of a UI.
One of the things I want to do that’s also on my to-do list is to get a standard download for just people who want to install these tools without having to understand how to program Frontier.
I want a nice little faceless iPodder that’s going to put some podcasts on a folder for me somewhere.
Maybe on my Archos or Arcos, depending on how you pronounce it.
You can make work with an iPod too. That’s not a big deal.
There you go. What I want to talk about, other than the things that I already have talked about today.
Just listened to Talk of the Nation, and they had a segment on there on KYOU, which is the radio station in San Francisco that’s going to… Technically speaking, they’re not really doing podcasts.
Podcasting is like internet technology. It’s cool to be able to distribute amateur radio shows that are done on MP 3s that come off the internet and then broadcast them.
That’s cool, but it’s not exactly podcasting because podcasting implies that you’re subscribing to something.
The something that you’re subscribing to is an RSS 2. 0 feed with enclosures.
I don’t know if I mentioned this, but you’ll hear me tapping, maybe hear me tapping from time to time because that ’s how I keep this thing from going to sleep on me.
I’m still not sure exactly how that happens or when it happens .
Whenever the screen goes blank, I’m going to tap the screen and make it come back.
You’ll hear that tap and it kind of sucks, but hey, there are worse things like lying on the beach or hearing somebody lying on the beach.
Working on my tan while I’m doing a podcast, there’s a sound bite for you.
I’m going to submit this one to KYOU because almost all the podcasts that go on there are probably just going to be talking about KYOU.
They had a calling thing where people said, “Hey, what would you like to talk about on KYOU ?” Well, they missed it.
Actually, as usual, the callers were so much smarter than the guy on The Goddamn Show.
Oh my God, he couldn’t understand why would somebody do this stuff for free.
The answer is Neil, Neil Conan.
Neil, they do it for love. They do it because they love what they’re doing.
They had a reporter from, I think it was Grand Rapids, not Grand Rapids, North Dakota.
It’s just there. I can’t remember.
There were Rapids 4, Grand 4, something like that, North Dakota, South Dakota, one of those places.
It was South Dakota, that’s right, because they had just covered, she was a reporter who had just covered the whole Tom Dashel race and had all these hours of recorded interviews and she says, “Well, I’m going to put those things out on a podcast, me and my husband,” she said.
And Neil Conan couldn’t understand, well, he said, " Well, I understand why you did the interviews, because, you know, somebody was paying you to do it, but I can’t understand why you ’d put it out as a podcast. " And he said, “Well, because it ’s fun and because it’s interesting. " And, you know, hey, that’s, come on, Neil, that’s a good reason.
I mean, why do you go skiing? Why do you hang out at the beach? Why do you drink a beer on a warm Saturday afternoon, because it’s fun and because it ’s interesting? It makes you feel good, you know, that’s why you do stuff.
Sure, you do some stuff, because it makes money, because it pays, you know.
But I guess it’s a fun idea that people would, like, do stuff, because, you know, do the stuff that professionals do .
I mean, maybe they would even pay to do it, you know.
I know, it’s like, it’s fun, it ’s fun.
And it’s fun to share things with people and to get to know them and share what you know.
When people like to shovel off and make new friends and you meet people who like the same things that you do.
And that’s cool, that’s another reason.
It’s fun, it’s interesting, and it’s cool, it’s cool.
We forgot how cool it is, you know, it’s cool.
I’m going to say it again, it’s cool.
Or it’s cool.
Anyway, I’m going to send this up to KYOU, and hopefully they ’ll play it, because that’s all anybody’s going to talk about, KYOU is KY OU.
And it’s cool that they’re doing distribution to podcasts.
It’s cool that the entertainment industry says, hey, we’re going to let the people do the programming.
That’s going to go someplace for sure.
Let’s just hope that some of those guys actually listen to it.
Even if they don’t listen to it , we still have the internet.
The internet is great, and we don’t need the stinking ads.
We don’t need the commercial distribution.
We don’t need the radio stations.
And it’s okay to do this stuff, even if you don’t get paid to do it.
So, you know, you heard it here , and of course, you won’t just hear it here.
It’s just, you know, it’s the way things work.
So, what else do we want to talk about? Well, okay, iPod. root is coming out.
I want to do an install thing so people can throw a copy front here on their server and run some of these apps that I’m coming out with.
There’s going to be a backend that does these OPML director ies.
That’s something I want to do.
And I’ve got my PDA version of scripting news.
That’s pda. scripting. com.
And that’s pretty general, so you can use it to, like, do any OPML, any website that comes out in O PML, you can do that with.
You can run something like pda.
scripting. com.
I’m going to make that better over time.
I’ve got some ideas on how to do that.
And I don’t know, maybe that’s about it.
Oh, you know, commercials, ads, that seems to be in the air these days.
It’s okay if Engadget wants to put ads on their podcasts or on their RSS feeds.
And so far, I’m still subscribed.
I haven’t subscribed to anything, but I’ve sort of been tempted to do that once or twice.
Maybe we’ll do it. Maybe we won ’t.
Anyway, I wanted to do a podcast from the beach, and this is a nine-minute sort of, like, real quick thing.
I’m going to submit this to KY OU, and maybe they’ll run some part of it on KYOU.
Maybe you’re hearing this on the radio, and who wouldn’t want to be on the radio in the Bay Area where everybody can hear them.
In 10 minutes, that’s pretty much got to be a pretty good length for this stuff.
So there you have it coming to you from the beach in the first coast of Florida.
This is Dave Winer. It’s, oh, I forgot to say, it’s April 28 th, 2005.
And this is Morning Coffee Notes, www. morningcoffinotes.
com/rss. xml.
And here comes a car coming by, and that’s the car that’s coming by.
Let’s hear if maybe you can hear it. Here it comes.
Yeah, and now I’m going to slow down a little bit and talk a little bit more slowly.
That was the fast talking Dave podcast voice, and, oh, fuck it , let’s just keep it fast.
So we’ll see you all next time.
It’s been wonderful. Hope you ’re doing great.
Take care. Bye.
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