WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.700 Well good morning everybody 00:00:03.700 --> 00:00:05.500 this is Dave Weiner coming to 00:00:05.500 --> 00:00:07.900 you from the basement of the UN 00:00:07.900 --> 00:00:10.340 Millennium Plaza Hotel in a 00:00:10.340 --> 00:00:12.750 lovely New York City and I'm 00:00:12.750 --> 00:00:15.120 here with John Jonathan, is it 00:00:15.120 --> 00:00:16.120 Jonathan? 00:00:16.120 --> 00:00:17.120 Jonathan? 00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:18.120 Jonathan Casso. 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:19.120 Jonathan is a great- 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:20.120 Just Casso. 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:21.120 Casso? 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:22.120 Just Casso. 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:23.120 Casso. 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:24.120 Okay I just call you Casso. 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:25.120 Just Casso, what's your name? 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:25.880 Of course the secret's out 00:00:25.880 --> 00:00:26.320 right now. 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:27.320 I don't know. 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:29.040 Everybody knows you all. 00:00:29.040 --> 00:00:31.690 And so John Casso is a British, 00:00:31.690 --> 00:00:34.040 we're going to talk like who 00:00:34.040 --> 00:00:36.320 remembers as the British 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:38.910 royal family today and I won't 00:00:38.910 --> 00:00:40.830 be able to do it but he can do 00:00:40.830 --> 00:00:41.400 it. 00:00:41.400 --> 00:00:42.400 I can't. 00:00:42.400 --> 00:00:43.400 Yes. 00:00:43.400 --> 00:00:46.100 And so Casso, I met, how did we 00:00:46.100 --> 00:00:47.680 meet actually? 00:00:47.680 --> 00:00:50.030 When did you first, you got in 00:00:50.030 --> 00:00:52.390 touch with me and said that you 00:00:52.390 --> 00:00:54.160 wanted to do a podcast 00:00:54.160 --> 00:00:55.160 with me right? 00:00:55.160 --> 00:00:56.160 Or was that what it was? 00:00:56.160 --> 00:00:57.160 No, no, I don't know. 00:00:57.160 --> 00:00:58.160 I was like direct. 00:00:58.160 --> 00:00:59.160 You had something. 00:00:59.160 --> 00:01:00.300 I think it was just something 00:01:00.300 --> 00:01:01.500 interesting, I just emailed you 00:01:01.500 --> 00:01:02.440 with some interesting 00:01:02.440 --> 00:01:03.440 link to go, hey. 00:01:03.440 --> 00:01:05.120 Oh, that's right, no, no, you 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:07.230 were doing the logo for Morning 00:01:07.230 --> 00:01:10.000 Coffinus, and I totally 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:11.820 didn't understand but it was 00:01:11.820 --> 00:01:13.660 pretty spacey and I didn't use 00:01:13.660 --> 00:01:14.580 it, did I? 00:01:14.580 --> 00:01:16.080 Well you haven't used it yet. 00:01:16.080 --> 00:01:17.080 I haven't used it yet. 00:01:17.080 --> 00:01:18.080 There you go. 00:01:18.080 --> 00:01:19.080 That's the optimistic look. 00:01:19.080 --> 00:01:19.890 I haven't fully assimilated you 00:01:19.890 --> 00:01:20.080 yet. 00:01:20.080 --> 00:01:21.080 Ah, that's right. 00:01:21.080 --> 00:01:22.830 So can you talk in that squeaky 00:01:22.830 --> 00:01:24.080 voice that you do? 00:01:24.080 --> 00:01:25.080 Unfortunately not. 00:01:25.080 --> 00:01:27.140 But you see, I am already 00:01:27.140 --> 00:01:29.160 talking in my funny voice. 00:01:29.160 --> 00:01:30.830 I'm actually already talking in 00:01:30.830 --> 00:01:31.800 my funny voice. 00:01:31.800 --> 00:01:35.660 So the theory is that your name 00:01:35.660 --> 00:01:38.520 isn't Casso at all. 00:01:38.520 --> 00:01:39.520 What was it? 00:01:39.520 --> 00:01:40.520 Blurg. 00:01:40.520 --> 00:01:41.520 Blurg, right. 00:01:41.520 --> 00:01:42.520 Blurg, yes. 00:01:42.520 --> 00:01:43.520 And your girlfriend is? 00:01:43.520 --> 00:01:44.520 The doctor. 00:01:44.520 --> 00:01:45.520 Doctor. 00:01:45.520 --> 00:01:46.520 But she's really Joe, right? 00:01:46.520 --> 00:01:47.520 Yeah. 00:01:47.520 --> 00:01:48.520 Joe is a scientist, right? 00:01:48.520 --> 00:01:50.480 Oh, I'm not supposed to, oh, no 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:51.480 , never mind. 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:52.480 She's a real doctor. 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:53.480 She's a real doctor? 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:54.980 But not like a health doctor. 00:01:54.980 --> 00:01:56.730 She's a doctor of themes and 00:01:56.730 --> 00:01:57.240 web. 00:01:57.240 --> 00:01:58.240 Okay. 00:01:58.240 --> 00:01:59.910 So we have to be careful what 00:01:59.910 --> 00:02:01.720 we talk about here, guys. 00:02:01.720 --> 00:02:03.730 We're doing my usual M-O for 00:02:03.730 --> 00:02:05.970 life because I'm usually, like, 00:02:05.970 --> 00:02:07.480 you lose a cannon. 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:08.890 So anyway, we have absolutely 00:02:08.890 --> 00:02:10.080 no idea what we should talk 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:10.560 about. 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:12.030 We're going to talk about 00:02:12.030 --> 00:02:13.440 podcasting, right? 00:02:13.440 --> 00:02:14.890 Because that's what we're doing 00:02:14.890 --> 00:02:15.000 . 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:16.160 That's what anybody ever talks 00:02:16.160 --> 00:02:17.310 about when they're podcasting 00:02:17.310 --> 00:02:18.080 anyway, right? 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:19.080 Exactly. 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:20.970 And since we're in New York, 00:02:20.970 --> 00:02:22.390 obviously, we have to talk 00:02:22.390 --> 00:02:23.760 about podcasting. 00:02:23.760 --> 00:02:24.960 So what do you think about 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:25.780 podcasting? 00:02:25.780 --> 00:02:28.740 Well, I think it's recreated my 00:02:28.740 --> 00:02:31.050 love of radio that I had long 00:02:31.050 --> 00:02:32.420 forgotten. 00:02:32.420 --> 00:02:33.420 Is that right? 00:02:33.420 --> 00:02:34.420 Yeah. 00:02:34.420 --> 00:02:35.420 Especially talk radio. 00:02:35.420 --> 00:02:36.420 And company. 00:02:36.420 --> 00:02:37.490 You know, people like radio for 00:02:37.490 --> 00:02:37.940 company. 00:02:37.940 --> 00:02:39.460 I mean, some people like 00:02:39.460 --> 00:02:40.900 listening to music. 00:02:40.900 --> 00:02:43.280 I like listening to people talk 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:43.580 . 00:02:43.580 --> 00:02:44.710 You know, I like people 00:02:44.710 --> 00:02:45.900 watching as much as I like 00:02:45.900 --> 00:02:46.900 people hearing. 00:02:46.900 --> 00:02:47.900 Right. 00:02:47.900 --> 00:02:48.900 People listening, isn't it? 00:02:48.900 --> 00:02:50.080 Yeah, there's lots of little 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:51.170 sounds going on here in this 00:02:51.170 --> 00:02:51.580 room. 00:02:51.580 --> 00:02:52.580 And that's great as well. 00:02:52.580 --> 00:02:53.580 It is. 00:02:53.580 --> 00:02:54.580 There's dishes clanking. 00:02:54.580 --> 00:02:56.000 And there's a guy over there. 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:57.580 We're actually sitting in a bar 00:02:57.580 --> 00:02:58.960 in the middle of the morning 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:00.160 and it's very dark. 00:03:00.160 --> 00:03:01.470 And Danny Glover was having 00:03:01.470 --> 00:03:02.840 breakfast in the corner. 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:03.830 Danny Glover was sitting right 00:03:03.830 --> 00:03:04.680 there in the corner where we 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:05.640 were eating breakfast. 00:03:05.640 --> 00:03:07.320 I'm too old for this shit. 00:03:07.320 --> 00:03:08.600 No, actually, I rode up in an 00:03:08.600 --> 00:03:09.990 elevator with Danny Glover, or 00:03:09.990 --> 00:03:11.300 rode down in an elevator. 00:03:11.300 --> 00:03:12.620 And so I was being really cool, 00:03:12.620 --> 00:03:13.900 like not going, "Hey, you're 00:03:13.900 --> 00:03:15.120 Danny Glover, aren't you?" 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:16.920 He said, "You're the one." 00:03:16.920 --> 00:03:17.920 Yeah. 00:03:17.920 --> 00:03:19.030 Actually, it occurred to me 00:03:19.030 --> 00:03:19.920 that maybe, oops. 00:03:19.920 --> 00:03:20.920 Sorry. 00:03:20.920 --> 00:03:21.920 There goes the microphone. 00:03:21.920 --> 00:03:23.760 He'll be like, "Who the fuck 00:03:23.760 --> 00:03:24.620 are you?" 00:03:24.620 --> 00:03:25.620 Well, it's funny. 00:03:25.620 --> 00:03:26.820 You were, yeah, so I played it 00:03:26.820 --> 00:03:27.540 really cool. 00:03:27.540 --> 00:03:28.770 But the mirrors in this hotel, 00:03:28.770 --> 00:03:30.060 there's mirrors everywhere you 00:03:30.060 --> 00:03:31.380 look in this hotel, including 00:03:31.380 --> 00:03:32.380 the elevators, right? 00:03:32.380 --> 00:03:33.380 Yeah. 00:03:33.380 --> 00:03:34.290 And so I looked, just looking 00:03:34.290 --> 00:03:35.110 ahead of me, but I could see 00:03:35.110 --> 00:03:35.840 what he was doing. 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:38.120 And he was making faces. 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:40.080 Like, you know, seeing his 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:41.970 teeth and just making sure he 00:03:41.970 --> 00:03:44.080 looked, like, it looked at me 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:44.360 like 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:45.600 he looked like he was like 00:03:45.600 --> 00:03:46.910 making sure he looked really 00:03:46.910 --> 00:03:48.810 good because he's like an actor 00:03:48.810 --> 00:03:48.860 . 00:03:48.860 --> 00:03:49.750 If I had talked to him, you 00:03:49.750 --> 00:03:50.770 know what I would have asked 00:03:50.770 --> 00:03:51.260 him about? 00:03:51.260 --> 00:03:52.370 And he would have said, "What 00:03:52.370 --> 00:03:53.340 do you think about what Mel 00:03:53.340 --> 00:03:54.350 Gibson is doing with the 00:03:54.350 --> 00:03:54.640 Passion 00:03:54.640 --> 00:03:55.320 of the Christ and all that 00:03:55.320 --> 00:03:55.640 stuff?" 00:03:55.640 --> 00:03:56.640 Right. 00:03:56.640 --> 00:03:57.250 Because, you know, he did all 00:03:57.250 --> 00:03:57.640 those... 00:03:57.640 --> 00:03:58.640 What was the name of the movie? 00:03:58.640 --> 00:03:59.640 The Lethal Weapon. 00:03:59.640 --> 00:04:00.960 Lethal Weapon movies with him, 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:01.980 where Mel Gibson played the 00:04:01.980 --> 00:04:03.380 druggy, crazy, Three Stooges 00:04:03.380 --> 00:04:03.640 guy. 00:04:03.640 --> 00:04:04.640 Yeah. 00:04:04.640 --> 00:04:05.550 And now, all of a sudden, Mel 00:04:05.550 --> 00:04:06.480 Gibson's a very serious guy, 00:04:06.480 --> 00:04:06.920 right? 00:04:06.920 --> 00:04:07.920 Yeah, right. 00:04:07.920 --> 00:04:08.920 Very. 00:04:08.920 --> 00:04:09.920 So, podcasting. 00:04:09.920 --> 00:04:10.920 And, see. 00:04:10.920 --> 00:04:12.920 So, what should we talk about? 00:04:12.920 --> 00:04:16.290 I had a whole bunch of things 00:04:16.290 --> 00:04:20.040 in my head that I spaced out. 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:21.040 Well, that kind of... 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:22.740 So, you listened to yesterday's 00:04:22.740 --> 00:04:23.840 podcast, right? 00:04:23.840 --> 00:04:24.840 Yeah. 00:04:24.840 --> 00:04:26.220 The one of you and the guys in 00:04:26.220 --> 00:04:26.980 Starbucks. 00:04:26.980 --> 00:04:27.980 In the Starbucks. 00:04:27.980 --> 00:04:28.980 Yeah. 00:04:28.980 --> 00:04:29.710 Starbucks are getting a lot of 00:04:29.710 --> 00:04:30.480 mileage out of podcasting. 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:31.260 I think they should be 00:04:31.260 --> 00:04:32.680 sponsoring podcasts, actually. 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:33.680 Do you? 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:34.680 Yeah. 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:35.680 Well, I think... 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:37.090 I mean, well, not McDonald's, 00:04:37.090 --> 00:04:38.400 but the whole Wi-Fi... 00:04:38.400 --> 00:04:39.400 Yeah. 00:04:39.400 --> 00:04:40.400 Ubiquity. 00:04:40.400 --> 00:04:41.400 And the... 00:04:41.400 --> 00:04:42.780 I mean, not that you need some 00:04:42.780 --> 00:04:44.360 connectivity to do a podcast. 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:45.360 You obviously need it. 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:46.570 You need connectivity to upload 00:04:46.570 --> 00:04:46.840 it. 00:04:46.840 --> 00:04:47.840 Yeah. 00:04:47.840 --> 00:04:48.900 So, ironically, they didn't 00:04:48.900 --> 00:04:50.010 have enough connectivity in the 00:04:50.010 --> 00:04:51.400 Starbucks for me to upload it. 00:04:51.400 --> 00:04:52.450 However, the place we're 00:04:52.450 --> 00:04:53.620 sitting in right now, which is 00:04:53.620 --> 00:04:54.880 the basement of the... 00:04:54.880 --> 00:04:55.880 I'm not... 00:04:55.880 --> 00:04:57.880 Where did I say it was? 00:04:57.880 --> 00:04:58.880 Where the Millennium... 00:04:58.880 --> 00:04:59.880 The Millennium. 00:04:59.880 --> 00:05:00.670 You have not been able to get 00:05:00.670 --> 00:05:00.880 on? 00:05:00.880 --> 00:05:01.880 No. 00:05:01.880 --> 00:05:02.880 It says, like, not on it. 00:05:02.880 --> 00:05:03.880 No Wi-Fi phone. 00:05:03.880 --> 00:05:04.880 I've got it. 00:05:04.880 --> 00:05:05.880 You're... 00:05:05.880 --> 00:05:06.880 You're installing it from me. 00:05:06.880 --> 00:05:07.880 I've not. 00:05:07.880 --> 00:05:08.880 I mean, you have free... 00:05:08.880 --> 00:05:10.230 Well, I was going to say, we 00:05:10.230 --> 00:05:11.580 have free Wi-Fi here and I get 00:05:11.580 --> 00:05:13.600 a log on the screen, you can 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:14.600 see. 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:17.000 And then $0, wireless access 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.280 one hour, so I click on access 00:05:19.280 --> 00:05:21.040 the internet and then it 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:23.340 gets me this agreement, which 00:05:23.340 --> 00:05:25.580 of course I don't read and then 00:05:25.580 --> 00:05:27.160 I accept it because I 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:29.050 want to give them all my money 00:05:29.050 --> 00:05:31.080 and make them my errors and... 00:05:31.080 --> 00:05:32.080 Oh. 00:05:32.080 --> 00:05:33.080 What was that? 00:05:33.080 --> 00:05:34.080 Something didn't work here. 00:05:34.080 --> 00:05:35.080 Oh my... 00:05:35.080 --> 00:05:37.030 Let's see if I can go to script 00:05:37.030 --> 00:05:37.600 ing. 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:38.600 Yeah. 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:39.600 You know, I've just got... 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:40.630 I've got no wireless networks 00:05:40.630 --> 00:05:41.600 we've found in, right? 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:42.600 Strange. 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:43.600 Yeah. 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:44.090 Well, you bought a cheap 00:05:44.090 --> 00:05:44.600 computer, I guess. 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:45.600 Oh no. 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:46.600 Yeah. 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:47.600 So here's... 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:48.600 I'm going to show Casso. 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:50.070 We went to dinner at the 2nd 00:05:50.070 --> 00:05:51.600 Avenue deli at last night. 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:52.600 That was cool. 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:53.600 That Diana was cool. 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:54.600 I wish... 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:55.970 You have a lot of clips of her, 00:05:55.970 --> 00:05:56.600 don't you? 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:57.600 Yeah, I do. 00:05:57.600 --> 00:05:58.370 I wish I'd taken some photos of 00:05:58.370 --> 00:05:58.600 her. 00:05:58.600 --> 00:05:59.610 Well, would you post them up 00:05:59.610 --> 00:06:00.600 when you get back to... 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:01.600 Yeah, we'll be. 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:02.600 Yeah, yeah. 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:03.600 When you get back to... 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:04.130 I thought that was a nice 00:06:04.130 --> 00:06:04.600 picture of you. 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:06.080 That was me being very worried 00:06:06.080 --> 00:06:07.120 about the doctor. 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:08.120 Yeah. 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:10.040 And then there's Edwin Newman, 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:11.760 and some asshole complained 00:06:11.760 --> 00:06:12.840 that he thought my pictures 00:06:12.840 --> 00:06:12.960 were 00:06:12.960 --> 00:06:13.960 too orange. 00:06:13.960 --> 00:06:15.320 But I actually like orange 00:06:15.320 --> 00:06:16.040 pictures. 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:17.040 He's just a lot of ideas, yeah. 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.830 He says that any fool, except 00:06:19.830 --> 00:06:22.940 of course, except me, knows 00:06:22.940 --> 00:06:24.520 that there's a filter. 00:06:24.520 --> 00:06:26.060 Any fool says you can get rid 00:06:26.060 --> 00:06:27.000 of that shit. 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:28.860 I also got an email last night 00:06:28.860 --> 00:06:30.940 from Corey Doctro, a very snipp 00:06:30.940 --> 00:06:33.720 y little email saying that any 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:34.720 idiot knows... 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.560 People call me an idiot a lot. 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.360 Maybe I should take that to 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:40.940 heart, but basically saying any 00:06:40.940 --> 00:06:42.740 idiot would know that what you 00:06:42.740 --> 00:06:45.350 want to do is fraudulent, but 00:06:45.350 --> 00:06:47.970 what Google wants to do is cool 00:06:47.970 --> 00:06:48.360 . 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:49.360 So what is it you want to do? 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:50.360 What is it? 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:51.360 Well, what I propose to do... 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:53.070 I don't really actually want to 00:06:53.070 --> 00:06:54.650 do it, but he's released his 00:06:54.650 --> 00:06:56.080 book under the Creative 00:06:56.080 --> 00:06:58.620 Commons, and so I offered to 00:06:58.620 --> 00:07:01.360 download it and change his name 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:03.600 , replace it with mine, and 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:05.480 then go print out a bunch of 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:07.540 copies and sell them, and then 00:07:07.540 --> 00:07:09.400 go find a publisher who could 00:07:09.400 --> 00:07:11.700 publish my book, and Corey says 00:07:11.700 --> 00:07:13.970 , "Oh, no, no, no, that would be 00:07:13.970 --> 00:07:14.720 fraud. 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:16.280 You can't do that. 00:07:16.280 --> 00:07:17.280 Oh, I see." 00:07:17.280 --> 00:07:18.280 Okay, good. 00:07:18.280 --> 00:07:19.280 That's good to know. 00:07:19.280 --> 00:07:20.280 There is a line in there. 00:07:20.280 --> 00:07:21.280 I thought that was good news. 00:07:21.280 --> 00:07:22.280 Right, right. 00:07:22.280 --> 00:07:24.300 So you're obviously just trying 00:07:24.300 --> 00:07:26.210 to kind of kick the boundaries 00:07:26.210 --> 00:07:27.200 around a bit? 00:07:27.200 --> 00:07:28.340 Well, I'm trying to find out 00:07:28.340 --> 00:07:29.500 where the boundaries are for 00:07:29.500 --> 00:07:30.950 these people, because basically 00:07:30.950 --> 00:07:31.280 they've 00:07:31.280 --> 00:07:32.550 been sort of pretending, I 00:07:32.550 --> 00:07:33.900 guess, that there aren't any 00:07:33.900 --> 00:07:34.680 boundaries. 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:37.060 I didn't believe really that it 00:07:37.060 --> 00:07:39.660 would be all right with Corey, 00:07:39.660 --> 00:07:41.160 because I can imagine 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:42.900 that he had to go through some 00:07:42.900 --> 00:07:44.440 kind of a struggle with his 00:07:44.440 --> 00:07:46.360 publisher to get permission to 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:46.480 do 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:48.160 this, because his books are 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:49.910 published by a real publisher 00:07:49.910 --> 00:07:51.680 that distributes it in bookst 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:52.000 ores, 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:53.260 and when they look at the idea 00:07:53.260 --> 00:07:54.570 of uploading the full text of a 00:07:54.570 --> 00:07:55.760 book to a website, they 00:07:55.760 --> 00:07:56.710 must think, "Well, that's crazy 00:07:56.710 --> 00:07:56.760 . 00:07:56.760 --> 00:07:58.440 Why would I want to do that?" 00:07:58.440 --> 00:07:59.970 And this is probably their 00:07:59.970 --> 00:08:01.910 worst nightmare, so Corey kind 00:08:01.910 --> 00:08:03.560 of has to say, "You can't do 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:04.560 that." 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:05.610 Well, as soon as there's an e- 00:08:05.610 --> 00:08:06.560 book out there, you just go to 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:09.160 alt.bindingweebooks, and you'll 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:10.460 be downloading it for free the 00:08:10.460 --> 00:08:11.360 next day, you know? 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:12.360 Right, right. 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:13.010 And I think you could do that 00:08:13.010 --> 00:08:13.360 right now. 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:14.360 With anything. 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:16.530 But the thing that I don't want 00:08:16.530 --> 00:08:18.690 is, you know, I used to write 00:08:18.690 --> 00:08:21.080 for a magazine, and they used 00:08:21.080 --> 00:08:23.030 to change my writing, so that I 00:08:23.030 --> 00:08:24.380 would be saying things that 00:08:24.380 --> 00:08:26.000 they wanted me to say, instead 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:27.660 of things that I believed to be 00:08:27.660 --> 00:08:28.200 true. 00:08:28.200 --> 00:08:29.380 And I'd always ask them, "Well, 00:08:29.380 --> 00:08:30.200 why do you do that?" 00:08:30.200 --> 00:08:31.360 And they would say, "Well, we 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:32.560 're just making it better," or " 00:08:32.560 --> 00:08:33.880 They never would have understood 00:08:33.880 --> 00:08:34.900 what you were saying," so we 00:08:34.900 --> 00:08:35.790 made it so that they would 00:08:35.790 --> 00:08:37.160 understand it, but of course in 00:08:37.160 --> 00:08:38.220 the process, change the meaning 00:08:38.220 --> 00:08:38.360 . 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:40.560 It meant so much to me to be 00:08:40.560 --> 00:08:43.070 able to talk directly to people 00:08:43.070 --> 00:08:45.320 and say exactly what I meant to 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:46.840 say that I quit, and I don't 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:48.520 get paid for writing, and now 00:08:48.520 --> 00:08:50.240 the ultimate insult is that 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.880 this big, heartless company, 00:08:52.880 --> 00:08:54.670 Google, wants to put ads in the 00:08:54.670 --> 00:08:56.480 middle of my copy, not off 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:58.500 the side somewhere, which I 00:08:58.500 --> 00:09:00.320 wouldn't like either. 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:01.530 But they want to put it right 00:09:01.530 --> 00:09:02.830 in the middle of my copy, and I 00:09:02.830 --> 00:09:04.320 'm sorry, it's over the line 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:05.320 for me. 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:06.820 So I said to Puri, I said, " 00:09:06.820 --> 00:09:08.840 That's fraudulent," since that's 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:10.080 a word I clarify. 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:12.920 Clearly that's not a good word. 00:09:12.920 --> 00:09:15.420 The big issue I take with that 00:09:15.420 --> 00:09:18.140 is, you've got no control over 00:09:18.140 --> 00:09:20.200 what these things are going 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:21.410 to be linking to, so somebody 00:09:21.410 --> 00:09:22.290 could be reading your blog and 00:09:22.290 --> 00:09:23.480 think, "Hey, Dave likes that 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:23.760 enough 00:09:23.760 --> 00:09:24.760 to put a link in." 00:09:24.760 --> 00:09:25.760 Right. 00:09:25.760 --> 00:09:27.460 I mean, obviously, there's no 00:09:27.460 --> 00:09:28.970 point in re-explaining it, 00:09:28.970 --> 00:09:30.810 obviously, but the audience, 00:09:30.810 --> 00:09:30.920 yeah, it 00:09:30.920 --> 00:09:31.920 could be anything. 00:09:31.920 --> 00:09:32.920 Yeah. 00:09:32.920 --> 00:09:33.920 Dave likes. 00:09:33.920 --> 00:09:34.920 You know? 00:09:34.920 --> 00:09:35.920 The Christian Coal. 00:09:35.920 --> 00:09:36.920 She did. 00:09:36.920 --> 00:09:37.920 Adolf Hitler. 00:09:37.920 --> 00:09:38.920 Yeah, whatever. 00:09:38.920 --> 00:09:39.920 Yeah. 00:09:39.920 --> 00:09:41.920 For that matter, Corey Doctra. 00:09:41.920 --> 00:09:42.920 Yeah. 00:09:42.920 --> 00:09:45.640 Well, Corey's a little heavy. 00:09:45.640 --> 00:09:47.200 He told Scoble, every time Sco 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:48.840 ble said, "What about this?" 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:50.150 Corey's answer was, I didn't 00:09:50.150 --> 00:09:51.580 listen to him, but apparently 00:09:51.580 --> 00:09:52.920 people tell me, "Corey's answer 00:09:52.920 --> 00:09:53.920 was tough shit." 00:09:53.920 --> 00:09:54.920 Yeah. 00:09:54.920 --> 00:09:55.920 Yeah. 00:09:55.920 --> 00:09:57.590 And the Supreme Court of Corey 00:09:57.590 --> 00:09:59.120 is a pretty tough place. 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.240 So I mean, is it going to 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:02.280 happen? 00:10:02.280 --> 00:10:03.280 People tell me. 00:10:03.280 --> 00:10:04.420 Our blog is a blog power, 00:10:04.420 --> 00:10:05.930 podcast power, is this going to 00:10:05.930 --> 00:10:07.180 put a stop to Google's auto- 00:10:07.180 --> 00:10:07.920 thinking? 00:10:07.920 --> 00:10:09.670 Apparently, people have told me 00:10:09.670 --> 00:10:11.280 from the inside of Google that 00:10:11.280 --> 00:10:12.720 it is not going to actually 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:14.720 make it out. 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:16.240 And sort of the really weird 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:17.690 thing is that Google isn't 00:10:17.690 --> 00:10:19.640 communicating that, but that's 00:10:19.640 --> 00:10:20.640 Google, right? 00:10:20.640 --> 00:10:21.640 Right. 00:10:21.640 --> 00:10:22.640 Google doesn't say very much. 00:10:22.640 --> 00:10:26.020 But I'm pretty optimistic that, 00:10:26.020 --> 00:10:28.750 you know, the whole goal here 00:10:28.750 --> 00:10:31.720 is to make it so painfully 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:33.790 obvious that this isn't going 00:10:33.790 --> 00:10:35.700 to be popular, that they say, " 00:10:35.700 --> 00:10:37.720 Well, it's not worth the trouble 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:38.720 to do this." 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:40.720 I don't know. 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:41.720 Yeah. 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:44.370 I feel out there, kind of all 00:10:44.370 --> 00:10:46.920 doing this, and I'll do the 00:10:46.920 --> 00:10:50.040 best I can if it doesn't work. 00:10:50.040 --> 00:10:51.660 I'll start using carrier 00:10:51.660 --> 00:10:53.050 pigeons to just send out my 00:10:53.050 --> 00:10:56.040 writing and fly and up-stream. 00:10:56.040 --> 00:10:58.600 So tell me about your vision 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.640 for how we're going to be 00:11:00.640 --> 00:11:03.090 editing and uploading our 00:11:03.090 --> 00:11:04.360 podcasts. 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:05.330 How would you like to be 00:11:05.330 --> 00:11:06.600 editing and uploading your 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:07.160 podcasts? 00:11:07.160 --> 00:11:09.140 Well, the way that I'm going to 00:11:09.140 --> 00:11:10.880 do it, it's a pain in the ass 00:11:10.880 --> 00:11:12.880 at the moment, obviously. 00:11:12.880 --> 00:11:14.920 And I think if people in the go 00:11:14.920 --> 00:11:17.340 , they read these news articles, 00:11:17.340 --> 00:11:18.960 they listen to the news, 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:20.320 they read the paper, and they 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:21.880 go, "Like, let's say your dad," 00:11:21.880 --> 00:11:24.100 he goes, "Hey, I want a podcast 00:11:24.100 --> 00:11:25.940 ." 00:11:25.940 --> 00:11:29.400 So he calls up his son and says 00:11:29.400 --> 00:11:33.300 , "Let's assume he doesn't have 00:11:33.300 --> 00:11:37.800 the feed father for a son." 00:11:37.800 --> 00:11:38.800 So what's he going to do? 00:11:38.800 --> 00:11:41.370 Is he going to hunt around a 00:11:41.370 --> 00:11:44.190 search engine to find out the 00:11:44.190 --> 00:11:46.640 answer and maybe have to 00:11:46.640 --> 00:11:49.440 install something nasty or get 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:52.110 an FTP client, know all these 00:11:52.110 --> 00:11:54.680 various little details. 00:11:54.680 --> 00:11:57.080 And I think what you just need 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.670 is a very, very simple desktop 00:11:59.670 --> 00:12:01.640 application where you 00:12:01.640 --> 00:12:04.090 just, like the Flickr uploader, 00:12:04.090 --> 00:12:06.290 I think is a very neat little 00:12:06.290 --> 00:12:06.640 kit. 00:12:06.640 --> 00:12:07.640 So what would it... 00:12:07.640 --> 00:12:08.640 I'm sorry, go ahead. 00:12:08.640 --> 00:12:09.240 Because with the Flickr upload 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:09.790 er, all you've got to put in is 00:12:09.790 --> 00:12:10.120 ... 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:11.460 Well, tell people about the Fl 00:12:11.460 --> 00:12:12.300 ickr uploader. 00:12:12.300 --> 00:12:13.930 There might be one person in 00:12:13.930 --> 00:12:15.650 Antarctica who doesn't know how 00:12:15.650 --> 00:12:16.520 that works. 00:12:16.520 --> 00:12:19.760 Or a Linux user, it's available 00:12:19.760 --> 00:12:22.880 , it probably runs on Flickr. 00:12:22.880 --> 00:12:24.430 It probably will be, because I 00:12:24.430 --> 00:12:25.700 'm sure it's just written in 00:12:25.700 --> 00:12:27.760 Flash anyway, it's just a 00:12:27.760 --> 00:12:28.760 Flash wrapped up. 00:12:28.760 --> 00:12:30.000 But really, they do their stuff 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:31.120 in Flash, is that right? 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:32.960 Well, it looks to me like Flash 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:34.480 , but in the interface. 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:35.540 So basically you've got this 00:12:35.540 --> 00:12:36.730 desktop application, this 00:12:36.730 --> 00:12:37.690 little square, tiny little 00:12:37.690 --> 00:12:38.160 square box 00:12:38.160 --> 00:12:39.710 in it, in obtrusive, and the 00:12:39.710 --> 00:12:41.250 first time you run it, you put 00:12:41.250 --> 00:12:42.720 in your login details that 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:44.500 you would otherwise use to go 00:12:44.500 --> 00:12:45.820 to Flickr.com. 00:12:45.820 --> 00:12:48.340 And you just drag your JPEGs 00:12:48.340 --> 00:12:50.800 into this window, and then you 00:12:50.800 --> 00:12:52.080 hit upload. 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:53.080 And that's it. 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:55.340 And in fact, at that point when 00:12:55.340 --> 00:12:57.700 you upload, you can then choose 00:12:57.700 --> 00:12:59.880 to batch tag everything. 00:12:59.880 --> 00:13:01.040 So like when I upload stuff 00:13:01.040 --> 00:13:02.340 from my phone, I just go like " 00:13:02.340 --> 00:13:04.000 moblog", and that's it. 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:05.000 And they're away. 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:06.000 Pretty cool. 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:07.000 Yeah. 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:08.200 And would you know what the 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:09.300 interface is like, at a 00:13:09.300 --> 00:13:10.460 technical level, how it 00:13:10.460 --> 00:13:11.240 communicates? 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:12.490 Yeah, what goes on in the 00:13:12.490 --> 00:13:13.280 background? 00:13:13.280 --> 00:13:14.840 I think it's just FTP. 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:16.540 Do you think it's FTP? 00:13:16.540 --> 00:13:18.040 Well, mind you, actually, 00:13:18.040 --> 00:13:19.660 because when you get... 00:13:19.660 --> 00:13:20.890 So it's very similar to 00:13:20.890 --> 00:13:22.200 upstreaming, then. 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:23.200 In a way. 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:24.810 But when it finishes the upload 00:13:24.810 --> 00:13:26.330 of your images, and you go, " 00:13:26.330 --> 00:13:28.020 Okay, are you done now, or do 00:13:28.020 --> 00:13:30.010 you want to go to a big page of 00:13:30.010 --> 00:13:32.420 all the photos you just did?" 00:13:32.420 --> 00:13:34.010 And if you just uploaded 100 00:13:34.010 --> 00:13:35.370 photos, you got a long page to 00:13:35.370 --> 00:13:36.740 download that will then put 00:13:36.740 --> 00:13:38.380 every title and description 00:13:38.380 --> 00:13:39.990 form field in there for you to 00:13:39.990 --> 00:13:41.380 fill in and tag on every 00:13:41.380 --> 00:13:42.380 picture. 00:13:42.380 --> 00:13:43.850 And the URL string, it's like 00:13:43.850 --> 00:13:45.410 that image, that image, that 00:13:45.410 --> 00:13:46.760 image, that image, that image, 00:13:46.760 --> 00:13:47.760 that image. 00:13:47.760 --> 00:13:48.370 You know, it sort of gets on 00:13:48.370 --> 00:13:48.760 the... 00:13:48.760 --> 00:13:49.760 Right. 00:13:49.760 --> 00:13:50.760 Yeah, yeah. 00:13:50.760 --> 00:13:51.760 And the... 00:13:51.760 --> 00:13:52.410 I have something like that, 00:13:52.410 --> 00:13:52.760 actually. 00:13:52.760 --> 00:13:53.760 Because I think it's just FTP. 00:13:53.760 --> 00:13:55.660 I have something like that that 00:13:55.660 --> 00:13:57.540 I call "pixorter", and I think 00:13:57.540 --> 00:13:59.000 I wrote it before Flickr 00:13:59.000 --> 00:13:59.880 existed. 00:13:59.880 --> 00:14:01.030 So that's one of the reasons 00:14:01.030 --> 00:14:02.250 why I was such a late adopter 00:14:02.250 --> 00:14:03.400 to Flickr, because I had my 00:14:03.400 --> 00:14:04.400 own tools. 00:14:04.400 --> 00:14:05.400 Right. 00:14:05.400 --> 00:14:08.550 And that is, I basically, it 00:14:08.550 --> 00:14:11.520 knows where my camera is. 00:14:11.520 --> 00:14:13.200 So I dock my camera, and I 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.100 double click on the script, 00:14:15.100 --> 00:14:17.380 runs the script, it swaps out, 00:14:17.380 --> 00:14:18.870 takes everything that's in the 00:14:18.870 --> 00:14:20.410 "pixorter" folder and archives 00:14:20.410 --> 00:14:21.620 it, and then takes all 00:14:21.620 --> 00:14:23.040 the new shit off the camera and 00:14:23.040 --> 00:14:24.390 puts it in that folder, and 00:14:24.390 --> 00:14:25.540 then it displays them on 00:14:25.540 --> 00:14:26.940 a web page, the pictures 00:14:26.940 --> 00:14:28.710 themselves, with checkboxes 00:14:28.710 --> 00:14:30.320 next to each one of them. 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:31.560 And they're all checked by 00:14:31.560 --> 00:14:33.100 default, and then I uncheck the 00:14:33.100 --> 00:14:34.380 ones that I don't want to be 00:14:34.380 --> 00:14:35.380 uploaded. 00:14:35.380 --> 00:14:36.370 And then there's a button at 00:14:36.370 --> 00:14:37.380 the top and the bottom, and I 00:14:37.380 --> 00:14:38.960 click, and it uploads them. 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:40.400 And then what it gives me, what 00:14:40.400 --> 00:14:41.890 it's finished, is the HTML that 00:14:41.890 --> 00:14:43.360 's ready to paste into a web 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:45.680 page for all those pictures. 00:14:45.680 --> 00:14:47.220 So I go straight from the 00:14:47.220 --> 00:14:49.230 upload process to, you know, 00:14:49.230 --> 00:14:51.440 select all, copy, do a new blog 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:52.480 post over there, and I know 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:53.620 that they have an interface in 00:14:53.620 --> 00:14:54.200 blogging. 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:55.600 See, this seems to me to be the 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:57.080 whole trick between... 00:14:57.080 --> 00:14:57.650 But it gets complicated at this 00:14:57.650 --> 00:14:58.080 point, isn't it? 00:14:58.080 --> 00:14:58.630 Wait, wait, let me just get 00:14:58.630 --> 00:14:59.080 this thought out. 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:00.080 Sorry. 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:01.080 Yes, it does become complicated 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:01.080 . 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:02.080 Yeah, yeah. 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:03.430 So what I found out here, for 00:15:03.430 --> 00:15:04.840 me at least, was that you want 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:05.440 ... 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:06.720 The next thing you want to do 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:08.260 after doing this, well, what is 00:15:08.260 --> 00:15:09.180 the next thing? 00:15:09.180 --> 00:15:10.650 For some people, I guess the Fl 00:15:10.650 --> 00:15:12.220 ickr approach is like, "Okay, I 00:15:12.220 --> 00:15:13.880 want to go to Flickr, right?" 00:15:13.880 --> 00:15:15.030 In my case, what I want to do 00:15:15.030 --> 00:15:15.900 is do a blog post. 00:15:15.900 --> 00:15:17.010 That's why I put those things 00:15:17.010 --> 00:15:17.460 ... 00:15:17.460 --> 00:15:18.490 That's why I put the pictures 00:15:18.490 --> 00:15:19.620 up there in the first place. 00:15:19.620 --> 00:15:20.510 So it's sort of like two 00:15:20.510 --> 00:15:21.540 different approaches. 00:15:21.540 --> 00:15:23.070 That's why Flickr is surprising 00:15:23.070 --> 00:15:24.420 me that Flickr doesn't have a 00:15:24.420 --> 00:15:25.620 blogging tool in it. 00:15:25.620 --> 00:15:26.620 It does. 00:15:26.620 --> 00:15:27.620 It does, yeah. 00:15:27.620 --> 00:15:28.510 You can go to an image and you 00:15:28.510 --> 00:15:29.100 can go blog this. 00:15:29.100 --> 00:15:30.460 No, that's not what I mean. 00:15:30.460 --> 00:15:32.440 It can interface to my blogging 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:33.040 tool. 00:15:33.040 --> 00:15:34.270 In other words, I use either 00:15:34.270 --> 00:15:35.490 Manila or Radio or something 00:15:35.490 --> 00:15:36.120 like that. 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:37.630 Anything that supports the Meta 00:15:37.630 --> 00:15:38.800 -Weblog API, right? 00:15:38.800 --> 00:15:40.890 But why didn't they actually 00:15:40.890 --> 00:15:42.840 make it a blogging tool? 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:43.840 Why isn't there... 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:44.840 That's what... 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:47.760 Why aren't they competing with 00:15:47.760 --> 00:15:48.920 TypePad? 00:15:48.920 --> 00:15:49.980 Probably because they didn't 00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:50.990 want to compete with TypePad 00:15:50.990 --> 00:15:52.050 specifically, because they 00:15:52.050 --> 00:15:52.360 wanted 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:53.360 to partner with them. 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:54.530 But it seems to me they did 00:15:54.530 --> 00:15:55.940 everything, but the blogging 00:15:55.940 --> 00:15:57.610 tool, the blogging tool in Fl 00:15:57.610 --> 00:15:58.240 ickr 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.060 would be the tiniest little 00:16:00.060 --> 00:16:01.780 corner of the functionality of 00:16:01.780 --> 00:16:02.500 ... 00:16:02.500 --> 00:16:03.740 The Flickr is this mega-model, 00:16:03.740 --> 00:16:04.990 I mean, it seems like they must 00:16:04.990 --> 00:16:06.380 have had 100 programmers 00:16:06.380 --> 00:16:07.380 working on it. 00:16:07.380 --> 00:16:09.570 Well, oh no, there's a very 00:16:09.570 --> 00:16:12.140 clever guy, something else. 00:16:12.140 --> 00:16:13.140 Stuart Butterfield, right? 00:16:13.140 --> 00:16:15.380 There was a guy called Cal 00:16:15.380 --> 00:16:18.040 Henderson, who's been involved 00:16:18.040 --> 00:16:20.380 in all sorts of projects. 00:16:20.380 --> 00:16:22.180 You go to imcal.com. 00:16:22.180 --> 00:16:23.180 Where? 00:16:23.180 --> 00:16:24.180 I am Cal. 00:16:24.180 --> 00:16:25.180 I am cal.com. 00:16:25.180 --> 00:16:26.180 Cal.com, yeah. 00:16:26.180 --> 00:16:27.180 I'll go there, yeah. 00:16:27.180 --> 00:16:28.180 Which is cool. 00:16:28.180 --> 00:16:30.090 I don't know if you've heard of 00:16:30.090 --> 00:16:32.460 a site called beta.com, B3TA, 00:16:32.460 --> 00:16:34.240 and it's kind of all memes 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:36.740 and goofy Photoshop postings, 00:16:36.740 --> 00:16:39.330 Photoshop re-workings of images 00:16:39.330 --> 00:16:41.440 , and it's all nonsense, 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:42.660 basically. 00:16:42.660 --> 00:16:44.960 Some of the stuff that comes 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:47.250 out of that kind of this long 00:16:47.250 --> 00:16:50.000 forum is hilarious, but yeah, 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:52.910 Cal Henderson is the, I believe 00:16:52.910 --> 00:16:55.590 , the web, although the main 00:16:55.590 --> 00:16:58.200 kind of web level developer 00:16:58.200 --> 00:16:59.200 for Flickr. 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:00.200 I see, really? 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:01.200 Yeah. 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:03.130 And the one thing I really like 00:17:03.130 --> 00:17:04.810 with Flickr is what they do 00:17:04.810 --> 00:17:06.480 with the DHTML where if you're 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:09.000 logged in, the text, the title, 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:11.450 the description, everything, 00:17:11.450 --> 00:17:13.700 you click on it, and it turns 00:17:13.700 --> 00:17:14.810 into a form in front of your 00:17:14.810 --> 00:17:15.680 eyes, you know? 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:17.030 We'd say it again, what happens 00:17:17.030 --> 00:17:18.040 when you're... 00:17:18.040 --> 00:17:19.030 If you log into your Flickr 00:17:19.030 --> 00:17:20.070 account and you look at one of 00:17:20.070 --> 00:17:21.260 your old posts and you've got 00:17:21.260 --> 00:17:23.060 a title and description, you 00:17:23.060 --> 00:17:24.510 know, it looks like it's just 00:17:24.510 --> 00:17:26.160 in plain HTML, but you click 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:28.600 on it and it turns into a... 00:17:28.600 --> 00:17:29.710 So you can edit it, it turns 00:17:29.710 --> 00:17:30.680 into a form, right? 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:31.680 It turns into a form field. 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:33.130 That's very rational, and that 00:17:33.130 --> 00:17:34.410 's probably why you click on it, 00:17:34.410 --> 00:17:34.920 right? 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:36.950 But what I mean is it's not 00:17:36.950 --> 00:17:39.600 like with some interfaces where 00:17:39.600 --> 00:17:41.880 you would have to click it, 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:43.320 you're effectively clicking 00:17:43.320 --> 00:17:44.870 your URL, you're reloading the 00:17:44.870 --> 00:17:46.360 whole page, and then you're 00:17:46.360 --> 00:17:46.640 coming 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:47.960 up with a form and then you're 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:49.000 posting that form. 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:50.410 It does it on a layer above 00:17:50.410 --> 00:17:52.070 that, a little bit of Gmail is 00:17:52.070 --> 00:17:53.960 doing things, and these sorts 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:56.180 of very clever use sign of 00:17:56.180 --> 00:17:58.840 dynamic HTML and JavaScript 00:17:58.840 --> 00:18:01.050 sign is really good, and I 00:18:01.050 --> 00:18:01.680 think 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:03.530 Yahoo are now going to employ a 00:18:03.530 --> 00:18:05.400 lot more of that kind of stuff. 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:06.400 Right. 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:07.380 Well, of course, the big 00:18:07.380 --> 00:18:08.690 question everybody's asking is, 00:18:08.690 --> 00:18:09.960 well, not everybody, but many 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:10.240 people 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:11.470 are asking why didn't they just 00:18:11.470 --> 00:18:12.160 like... 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:14.220 Why did they do 360 when they 00:18:14.220 --> 00:18:15.840 also were buying Flickr? 00:18:15.840 --> 00:18:16.930 It seems like there's so many 00:18:16.930 --> 00:18:18.200 of these community systems, and 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:19.280 they're really... 00:18:19.280 --> 00:18:21.160 You need just one, right? 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:22.670 I know I said I wasn't going to 00:18:22.670 --> 00:18:24.380 mention Evan Williams and Odeo, 00:18:24.380 --> 00:18:25.680 but I got to say this. 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:28.040 It seems like they're doing the 00:18:28.040 --> 00:18:29.920 same thing, that a lot of what 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:31.960 they want to do is basically 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:33.830 reinvent Flickr, which seems 00:18:33.830 --> 00:18:35.200 really weird to me. 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:38.090 If Flickr works where the other 00:18:38.090 --> 00:18:41.120 social networking systems didn 00:18:41.120 --> 00:18:43.460 't work, because it has a 00:18:43.460 --> 00:18:44.680 purpose, 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:46.550 because the purpose is photo 00:18:46.550 --> 00:18:48.590 photography, and a community 00:18:48.590 --> 00:18:50.480 built around photography can 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:52.150 be a very rich community, and 00:18:52.150 --> 00:18:53.720 perhaps a community built 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:55.320 around podcasting, but is so 00:18:55.320 --> 00:18:56.320 fundamentally 00:18:56.320 --> 00:18:58.800 different from photography. 00:18:58.800 --> 00:19:00.050 People say, if you're looking 00:19:00.050 --> 00:19:00.960 at it from a programming 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:02.480 standpoint, oh, okay, big media 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:03.480 objects. 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:04.520 Oh, well, they're kind of the 00:19:04.520 --> 00:19:05.320 same thing, right? 00:19:05.320 --> 00:19:07.660 But that's only from that angle 00:19:07.660 --> 00:19:10.000 , because a photograph is sort 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:14.360 of rockable in an instant. 00:19:14.360 --> 00:19:16.060 Because our brains are built to 00:19:16.060 --> 00:19:17.800 rock photographs, basically. 00:19:17.800 --> 00:19:18.800 Explain rock. 00:19:18.800 --> 00:19:20.840 Rock is a word that, as far as 00:19:20.840 --> 00:19:22.700 I know, came from a book by 00:19:22.700 --> 00:19:25.000 Robert Highline, A Stranger 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.330 in a Strange Land, and there 00:19:27.330 --> 00:19:29.760 was an alien in that book named 00:19:29.760 --> 00:19:32.360 Valentine Michael Smith, 00:19:32.360 --> 00:19:35.270 and he came from Mars, and in 00:19:35.270 --> 00:19:38.310 Mars they had a concept called 00:19:38.310 --> 00:19:41.080 rocking rock, and to rock 00:19:41.080 --> 00:19:43.100 something is to appreciate the 00:19:43.100 --> 00:19:44.320 fullness of it. 00:19:44.320 --> 00:19:45.690 And it's not just an 00:19:45.690 --> 00:19:48.020 intellectual understanding of 00:19:48.020 --> 00:19:49.980 it, it's to appreciate the 00:19:49.980 --> 00:19:51.000 fullness. 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:52.320 It's not a, you know, so rock 00:19:52.320 --> 00:19:53.720 is like a deep understanding. 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:55.680 How did I just use it? 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:57.960 I said, well, anyway, oh no, 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:00.110 you can rock a photograph in an 00:20:00.110 --> 00:20:02.080 instant, right, whereas 00:20:02.080 --> 00:20:04.320 a podcast, you can't, a podcast 00:20:04.320 --> 00:20:06.410 , who knows, I can't, we're 00:20:06.410 --> 00:20:08.080 doing a podcast right now, 00:20:08.080 --> 00:20:09.280 I don't know how it's going to 00:20:09.280 --> 00:20:10.800 end, right, and I'm doing it. 00:20:10.800 --> 00:20:11.800 I can't tell you. 00:20:11.800 --> 00:20:12.800 We're live. 00:20:12.800 --> 00:20:13.380 I can't tell you what we're 00:20:13.380 --> 00:20:13.800 going to say. 00:20:13.800 --> 00:20:15.240 I mean, although I'll tell you, 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:16.430 it's actually to get really 00:20:16.430 --> 00:20:17.600 meta, I think this has been 00:20:17.600 --> 00:20:19.000 very interesting so far, 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:20.500 because we're talking about 00:20:20.500 --> 00:20:21.860 things, you know, we kind of 00:20:21.860 --> 00:20:22.320 don't, 00:20:22.320 --> 00:20:23.590 it was the first time we ever 00:20:23.590 --> 00:20:25.030 met face-to-face, but we share 00:20:25.030 --> 00:20:26.560 these interests and these sort 00:20:26.560 --> 00:20:28.240 of software things and why they 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:29.910 work and why they don't, and, 00:20:29.910 --> 00:20:31.400 you know, podcasts is just 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:32.750 about that, you know, every 00:20:32.750 --> 00:20:34.170 week probably would be a very 00:20:34.170 --> 00:20:34.880 good podcast. 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:35.830 It's quite a relief to actually 00:20:35.830 --> 00:20:36.630 communicate with somebody who 00:20:36.630 --> 00:20:37.520 actually understands what 00:20:37.520 --> 00:20:38.520 I'm talking about. 00:20:38.520 --> 00:20:39.520 Same here, absolutely. 00:20:39.520 --> 00:20:41.040 At times I kind of, I say 00:20:41.040 --> 00:20:42.890 things and you can just see it 00:20:42.890 --> 00:20:44.080 fly over that. 00:20:44.080 --> 00:20:45.370 Yeah, because most people just 00:20:45.370 --> 00:20:46.540 use stuff and like it and don't 00:20:46.540 --> 00:20:47.800 like it, but don't know 00:20:47.800 --> 00:20:48.990 why they like it or don't like 00:20:48.990 --> 00:20:49.940 it, but if you want to make 00:20:49.940 --> 00:20:51.120 software, then you've got 00:20:51.120 --> 00:20:52.380 to understand why people like 00:20:52.380 --> 00:20:53.360 it and why they don't. 00:20:53.360 --> 00:20:55.020 So my guess is that we don't 00:20:55.020 --> 00:20:57.160 need another, that a community 00:20:57.160 --> 00:20:58.960 built around podcasts like 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:00.620 Flickr isn't going to be the 00:21:00.620 --> 00:21:02.820 freewheeling, fun, interesting 00:21:02.820 --> 00:21:04.640 place that Flickr is, just 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:06.360 simply because building a 00:21:06.360 --> 00:21:08.560 community around photographs is 00:21:08.560 --> 00:21:09.240 great. 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:10.810 And then of course why Yahoo, 00:21:10.810 --> 00:21:12.500 you know, we know why, because 00:21:12.500 --> 00:21:13.840 they didn't know that they 00:21:13.840 --> 00:21:15.000 were going to acquire Flickr 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:16.090 while they were developing 00:21:16.090 --> 00:21:17.510 Yahoo 360, they didn't even 00:21:17.510 --> 00:21:17.840 know 00:21:17.840 --> 00:21:19.300 what Flickr was until somebody 00:21:19.300 --> 00:21:20.530 knocked at their door and said, 00:21:20.530 --> 00:21:21.600 "Hey, you know, we've 00:21:21.600 --> 00:21:23.160 got eight billion members here 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:24.670 and they're all getting ready 00:21:24.670 --> 00:21:25.880 to buy stuff from us." 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:27.140 Do you think they bought it 00:21:27.140 --> 00:21:28.680 just to kind of snuff it out? 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:29.680 I hope not. 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:30.680 That would be really bad. 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:31.680 It would be. 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:33.300 I think that Yahoo got their mo 00:21:33.300 --> 00:21:34.940 jo back, I think they ought to 00:21:34.940 --> 00:21:36.880 go look up the word mojo. 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:38.850 It's not about snuffing things 00:21:38.850 --> 00:21:39.240 out. 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:40.390 It's about making love, it's 00:21:40.390 --> 00:21:41.680 about making babies, it's about 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:42.760 , you know, being sexy. 00:21:42.760 --> 00:21:43.760 Your mojo work. 00:21:43.760 --> 00:21:46.270 Yeah, it's like not how, it's 00:21:46.270 --> 00:21:48.770 not the shape, but it's how you 00:21:48.770 --> 00:21:49.920 shake it. 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:51.790 So anyway, so if you were to 00:21:51.790 --> 00:21:53.500 like cut to the core, I want to 00:21:53.500 --> 00:21:55.680 steer us back around to the 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:56.680 little tool. 00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:58.610 Well, right, the thing is that 00:21:58.610 --> 00:22:00.250 you could take a monolithic 00:22:00.250 --> 00:22:01.960 view towards, you know, what 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:03.440 do people need for podcasting? 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:05.000 They need basically everything 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:06.260 under the sun or maybe they 00:22:06.260 --> 00:22:08.160 just need a little tool, right? 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:10.220 You can't create a podcast in 00:22:10.220 --> 00:22:12.540 communities, even podcasters 00:22:12.540 --> 00:22:14.600 without these people being 00:22:14.600 --> 00:22:16.100 at, you know, people can find a 00:22:16.100 --> 00:22:17.560 way to record an MP3 file. 00:22:17.560 --> 00:22:20.040 I think that's probably the 00:22:20.040 --> 00:22:21.600 easiest part. 00:22:21.600 --> 00:22:22.800 Once I found a tool that could 00:22:22.800 --> 00:22:24.080 do it, yeah, it was easy. 00:22:24.080 --> 00:22:25.450 I mean, I mean, I would like a 00:22:25.450 --> 00:22:26.080 Windows machine. 00:22:26.080 --> 00:22:27.160 You've got to speak up sound 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:28.250 recorder so you can record a 00:22:28.250 --> 00:22:29.440 web and then you could find a 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:30.440 way of converting that. 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:31.800 I couldn't believe that Windows 00:22:31.800 --> 00:22:33.050 didn't have one built in, they, 00:22:33.050 --> 00:22:34.320 my machine has a microphone 00:22:34.320 --> 00:22:35.320 built into it. 00:22:35.320 --> 00:22:35.960 Why doesn't it have a piece of 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:36.320 software? 00:22:36.320 --> 00:22:37.450 I don't know whether it might 00:22:37.450 --> 00:22:38.670 be a licensing issue with Fraun 00:22:38.670 --> 00:22:39.480 hofer, maybe. 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:40.480 With what? 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:41.480 With Fraunhofer. 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:42.430 Fraunhofer Institute who 00:22:42.430 --> 00:22:43.530 developed MP3, so maybe it 00:22:43.530 --> 00:22:44.760 might have something to do with 00:22:44.760 --> 00:22:44.920 that 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:46.860 because I think there's some, 00:22:46.860 --> 00:22:48.730 some dues somewhere along the 00:22:48.730 --> 00:22:50.160 line to have to pay. 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:51.160 Right. 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:52.960 Well, Microsoft's rich, why don 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:54.160 't they pay the dues? 00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:55.470 They've got, you know, they've 00:22:55.470 --> 00:22:56.570 got WMA, so they kind of go, 00:22:56.570 --> 00:22:57.760 well, we don't want to kind 00:22:57.760 --> 00:22:58.760 of... 00:22:58.760 --> 00:23:00.250 Because they, they should just 00:23:00.250 --> 00:23:01.600 ask the, they should call it 00:23:01.600 --> 00:23:03.080 like the king of pod, what? 00:23:03.080 --> 00:23:04.080 Yeah, yeah. 00:23:04.080 --> 00:23:05.080 The kind of pod. 00:23:05.080 --> 00:23:06.080 He's podcasting. 00:23:06.080 --> 00:23:07.080 He's what? 00:23:07.080 --> 00:23:08.080 He's podcasting. 00:23:08.080 --> 00:23:09.080 He's podcasting. 00:23:09.080 --> 00:23:10.080 He looks like it. 00:23:10.080 --> 00:23:10.630 He might be a similar 00:23:10.630 --> 00:23:11.080 reflection. 00:23:11.080 --> 00:23:12.080 Oh, that's interesting. 00:23:12.080 --> 00:23:13.850 There's a guy who's wearing 00:23:13.850 --> 00:23:15.800 headphones and a microphone. 00:23:15.800 --> 00:23:17.480 He's probably on a, on a Skype 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:19.160 call or something like that, we 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:19.920 might ask. 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:21.370 If he's podcasting, it's like, 00:23:21.370 --> 00:23:22.480 we're probably the only two 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:23.680 people podcasting in the city 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:24.680 right now. 00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:25.680 There's this interesting 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:26.730 conversation going on in the 00:23:26.730 --> 00:23:27.840 background of my podcast. 00:23:27.840 --> 00:23:28.840 So. 00:23:28.840 --> 00:23:29.840 Sorry, right. 00:23:29.840 --> 00:23:30.840 So. 00:23:30.840 --> 00:23:31.840 It's a destructive thing. 00:23:31.840 --> 00:23:33.200 So tell us, okay, so what are 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:34.360 the basic functions? 00:23:34.360 --> 00:23:36.010 Say, okay, you, you were saying 00:23:36.010 --> 00:23:37.510 recording is sort of difficult 00:23:37.510 --> 00:23:38.120 or not? 00:23:38.120 --> 00:23:39.120 Well, record. 00:23:39.120 --> 00:23:40.120 Not difficult. 00:23:40.120 --> 00:23:42.460 I mean, it's, I would say it's 00:23:42.460 --> 00:23:44.620 a, it's a no-brainer for 00:23:44.620 --> 00:23:46.560 anybody to look at the model 00:23:46.560 --> 00:23:48.180 of the flicker uploader and 00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:50.040 translate that to uploading. 00:23:50.040 --> 00:23:51.040 Right. 00:23:51.040 --> 00:23:52.040 That's what you're saying. 00:23:52.040 --> 00:23:53.040 That's all it is. 00:23:53.040 --> 00:23:54.040 Right. 00:23:54.040 --> 00:23:55.110 The same functionality as the 00:23:55.110 --> 00:23:56.150 flicker uploader, except 00:23:56.150 --> 00:23:57.120 uploading MP3 files. 00:23:57.120 --> 00:23:58.120 Right. 00:23:58.120 --> 00:23:58.980 And the next step after that 00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:00.120 will be uploading video files. 00:24:00.120 --> 00:24:01.150 You know, it's, it'll, there 00:24:01.150 --> 00:24:01.820 will be that natural 00:24:01.820 --> 00:24:02.440 progression. 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:03.960 It's as simple as that. 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:04.960 And then one. 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:05.500 So what about ID three 00:24:05.500 --> 00:24:05.960 information? 00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:07.260 You want to, the ID three 00:24:07.260 --> 00:24:07.680 information. 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:09.550 Well then what could possibly 00:24:09.550 --> 00:24:11.110 happen is maybe you would 00:24:11.110 --> 00:24:13.280 obviously, okay, it's going to 00:24:13.280 --> 00:24:13.280 be 00:24:13.280 --> 00:24:14.280 a simple tool. 00:24:14.280 --> 00:24:15.280 And what about generating RSS? 00:24:15.280 --> 00:24:16.280 You're going to do that too? 00:24:16.280 --> 00:24:17.280 Yep. 00:24:17.280 --> 00:24:18.280 Okay. 00:24:18.280 --> 00:24:19.280 Simple tool. 00:24:19.280 --> 00:24:20.420 Let's say I, I dragged an MP3 00:24:20.420 --> 00:24:21.280 file onto the, onto my 00:24:21.280 --> 00:24:22.250 application and I hit the 00:24:22.250 --> 00:24:22.600 upload 00:24:22.600 --> 00:24:23.600 button. 00:24:23.600 --> 00:24:24.900 When that file is uploaded, it 00:24:24.900 --> 00:24:26.200 goes, okay, so, or in fact, 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:27.420 maybe before it uploads, it 00:24:27.420 --> 00:24:28.420 goes, so what's the title? 00:24:28.420 --> 00:24:29.420 What's my description? 00:24:29.420 --> 00:24:30.280 I already know what the date is 00:24:30.280 --> 00:24:30.420 . 00:24:30.420 --> 00:24:31.420 I already know who you are. 00:24:31.420 --> 00:24:32.420 I don't know who the author is. 00:24:32.420 --> 00:24:33.420 I know who the author is. 00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:34.730 Do you want to add some tags to 00:24:34.730 --> 00:24:35.900 it, to it, to it now? 00:24:35.900 --> 00:24:37.230 Do you want to add any, any 00:24:37.230 --> 00:24:38.890 other metadata to it to, to, to 00:24:38.890 --> 00:24:40.760 , um, right, to make it, um, 00:24:40.760 --> 00:24:43.320 more, uh, or to make it better? 00:24:43.320 --> 00:24:45.760 Um, now, as far as the tools to 00:24:45.760 --> 00:24:47.970 write the ID three tags on the 00:24:47.970 --> 00:24:50.260 desktop, it would actually 00:24:50.260 --> 00:24:51.520 be easier for me to do it on 00:24:51.520 --> 00:24:52.280 the server. 00:24:52.280 --> 00:24:53.280 And once it's arrived. 00:24:53.280 --> 00:24:54.280 Right. 00:24:54.280 --> 00:24:54.840 Because you have a PHP tool 00:24:54.840 --> 00:24:55.280 that does that. 00:24:55.280 --> 00:24:56.280 Yeah. 00:24:56.280 --> 00:24:56.750 Well, there's like, there's, 00:24:56.750 --> 00:24:57.280 there's loads of open source. 00:24:57.280 --> 00:24:58.280 So what you could do then is 00:24:58.280 --> 00:24:59.330 like basically read the RSS 00:24:59.330 --> 00:25:00.460 file and take the data off of 00:25:00.460 --> 00:25:01.950 that and use, and do that on 00:25:01.950 --> 00:25:02.780 the server. 00:25:02.780 --> 00:25:04.420 You know, I could generate the 00:25:04.420 --> 00:25:05.960 RSS and, um, either on the, 00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:07.540 either on the desktop or the, 00:25:07.540 --> 00:25:08.540 or the web. 00:25:08.540 --> 00:25:10.050 So you're going to, in, in kind 00:25:10.050 --> 00:25:11.320 of, you haven't like, like 00:25:11.320 --> 00:25:12.690 actually done this work yet, 00:25:12.690 --> 00:25:12.960 have 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:13.960 you? 00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:15.200 I've, I have, I have, I have, 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:16.190 where would people go if they 00:25:16.190 --> 00:25:17.360 wanted to take a look at 00:25:17.360 --> 00:25:18.360 what it might look like? 00:25:18.360 --> 00:25:20.080 So keep an eye, keep an eye on 00:25:20.080 --> 00:25:22.240 podbat.com, P-O-D-B-A-T. 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:23.240 I see. 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:24.240 Okay. 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:25.240 Cool. 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:26.240 Um, yeah. 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:27.240 I'm sorry. 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:28.240 Because. 00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:29.350 And the, well, the, the, the 00:25:29.350 --> 00:25:30.350 reason why it's called podbat 00:25:30.350 --> 00:25:31.380 is because we've got podcatch 00:25:31.380 --> 00:25:31.680 ers 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:33.520 out there and catchers. 00:25:33.520 --> 00:25:34.520 What are they catching? 00:25:34.520 --> 00:25:35.520 You know, you have a batter. 00:25:35.520 --> 00:25:36.520 You know, batter up. 00:25:36.520 --> 00:25:37.520 You know, get up. 00:25:37.520 --> 00:25:38.520 They knew that in Britain. 00:25:38.520 --> 00:25:39.280 I thought that was, oh, it's 00:25:39.280 --> 00:25:39.520 cricket. 00:25:39.520 --> 00:25:40.520 Or you are. 00:25:40.520 --> 00:25:41.520 Oh, yes. 00:25:41.520 --> 00:25:42.520 It's cricket. 00:25:42.520 --> 00:25:43.520 Bowling. 00:25:43.520 --> 00:25:44.520 You say building. 00:25:44.520 --> 00:25:45.520 Yeah. 00:25:45.520 --> 00:25:46.520 You know, whatever. 00:25:46.520 --> 00:25:47.520 I can't do that else. 00:25:47.520 --> 00:25:48.520 They talking like an American. 00:25:48.520 --> 00:25:49.520 So, um, yeah. 00:25:49.520 --> 00:25:52.230 So you would read the RSS file 00:25:52.230 --> 00:25:54.490 information and throw that onto 00:25:54.490 --> 00:25:56.800 the ID, three tags and. 00:25:56.800 --> 00:25:57.910 I mean, there's no, I mean, 00:25:57.910 --> 00:25:59.080 originally, wouldn't it, would 00:25:59.080 --> 00:26:01.000 you ping audio.weblog.com to it 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:01.080 ? 00:26:01.080 --> 00:26:02.080 Oh, totally. 00:26:02.080 --> 00:26:03.080 Yeah. 00:26:03.080 --> 00:26:04.080 Totally. 00:26:04.080 --> 00:26:05.080 I mean, you'd be at it. 00:26:05.080 --> 00:26:05.800 All those kinds of things for 00:26:05.800 --> 00:26:06.080 people. 00:26:06.080 --> 00:26:06.520 All that, all that sort of 00:26:06.520 --> 00:26:07.080 stuff could be either end. 00:26:07.080 --> 00:26:08.080 Could be on the server end. 00:26:08.080 --> 00:26:08.940 It could be on the, on the, on 00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:09.840 the, on the application. 00:26:09.840 --> 00:26:11.240 What about, um, how about this? 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:13.040 This would be cool. 00:26:13.040 --> 00:26:15.460 How about, um, letting them 00:26:15.460 --> 00:26:18.360 categorize their, um, their, uh 00:26:18.360 --> 00:26:21.040 , their feed and categorize each 00:26:21.040 --> 00:26:22.040 post too. 00:26:22.040 --> 00:26:23.040 Absolutely. 00:26:23.040 --> 00:26:23.660 So that it could be routed to a 00:26:23.660 --> 00:26:24.040 directory. 00:26:24.040 --> 00:26:25.040 It's a directory. 00:26:25.040 --> 00:26:26.040 Yes. 00:26:26.040 --> 00:26:27.470 So, so you sort of like do a, 00:26:27.470 --> 00:26:29.040 what they call a folksonomy. 00:26:29.040 --> 00:26:30.040 Folksonomy. 00:26:30.040 --> 00:26:32.300 It's a very nice sounding thing 00:26:32.300 --> 00:26:32.320 . 00:26:32.320 --> 00:26:33.320 So yeah. 00:26:33.320 --> 00:26:34.170 So you could do that too, right 00:26:34.170 --> 00:26:34.320 ? 00:26:34.320 --> 00:26:35.320 Yeah. 00:26:35.320 --> 00:26:36.430 So it's sort of like the, the 00:26:36.430 --> 00:26:37.700 front end for, and you're going 00:26:37.700 --> 00:26:39.080 to also operate the back end 00:26:39.080 --> 00:26:40.080 too. 00:26:40.080 --> 00:26:41.080 So it's client. 00:26:41.080 --> 00:26:42.080 It's a client server. 00:26:42.080 --> 00:26:42.860 What protocol did we talk about 00:26:42.860 --> 00:26:43.080 that? 00:26:43.080 --> 00:26:44.160 What protocol do you want to 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:45.080 use between the two? 00:26:45.080 --> 00:26:46.620 Well, you see, this is why I 00:26:46.620 --> 00:26:48.300 was trying to work out what, um 00:26:48.300 --> 00:26:49.860 , what the Flickr uploader 00:26:49.860 --> 00:26:50.860 does. 00:26:50.860 --> 00:26:52.100 And, and I, in fact, I was 00:26:52.100 --> 00:26:53.220 about to say that it uses FTP 00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:54.600 because I've, I've written a 00:26:54.600 --> 00:26:55.040 version 00:26:55.040 --> 00:26:56.830 of it that uses FTP because the 00:26:56.830 --> 00:26:58.640 , uh, the wrapper that I have 00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:01.840 for the, uh, for the flash, um, 00:27:01.840 --> 00:27:03.040 has, you know, has built in FTP 00:27:03.040 --> 00:27:03.840 functionality. 00:27:03.840 --> 00:27:04.840 It's a good email. 00:27:04.840 --> 00:27:06.010 It could, it could email it if 00:27:06.010 --> 00:27:06.890 you want to do, but the 00:27:06.890 --> 00:27:07.780 simplest way to do it is 00:27:07.780 --> 00:27:08.320 actually 00:27:08.320 --> 00:27:10.170 FTP upload, um, and I got a 00:27:10.170 --> 00:27:12.360 feeling that's what they do. 00:27:12.360 --> 00:27:13.580 I, a couple of years ago, I 00:27:13.580 --> 00:27:15.160 wrote something called camovie. 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.580 com, which is C A M O B Y dot 00:27:18.580 --> 00:27:19.580 com. 00:27:19.580 --> 00:27:21.370 And the when, basically when 00:27:21.370 --> 00:27:23.150 camera phones came out, I had 00:27:23.150 --> 00:27:24.700 one as soon as you get one 00:27:24.700 --> 00:27:26.540 and I wanted it to be called a 00:27:26.540 --> 00:27:27.340 camovie. 00:27:27.340 --> 00:27:29.110 I don't like, uh, in America, 00:27:29.110 --> 00:27:30.710 you call mobile phones, cell 00:27:30.710 --> 00:27:31.400 phones. 00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:32.400 We don't call them cell phones. 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:33.400 What are you calling? 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:34.250 We have mobiles, you know, or M 00:27:34.250 --> 00:27:34.400 obi. 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:35.400 Oh, that's right. 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:36.180 Everyone's like, where's my M 00:27:36.180 --> 00:27:36.400 obi? 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:37.400 Where's my mobile phone? 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:38.400 It's your mobile. 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:39.400 Right. 00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:40.690 Um, in Germany, they call it 00:27:40.690 --> 00:27:42.080 handy, you know, it's where it 00:27:42.080 --> 00:27:43.400 's, what, it's mine handy. 00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:44.400 Mine handy. 00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:45.400 Mine handy. 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:46.400 It's small. 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:47.400 It has a camera. 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.400 What MP3 would call that? 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:51.080 It's nothing about German 00:27:51.080 --> 00:27:52.600 accents to crack me up, like Dr 00:27:52.600 --> 00:27:53.400 . Strangelo. 00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:54.400 Yeah. 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.400 It's one of my favorite movies. 00:27:57.400 --> 00:27:58.400 Really, I didn't know. 00:27:58.400 --> 00:27:59.400 So that's what that means. 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:00.400 So they call them Mobi. 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:01.400 Mobi. 00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:02.400 Yeah. 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:03.020 Some people, some people call 00:28:03.020 --> 00:28:03.400 them the Mobi. 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:04.400 That's my Mobi. 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:05.510 But, but very few people call 00:28:05.510 --> 00:28:06.400 it their cell phone. 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:07.400 And we, that's what we call it. 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:08.400 Yeah. 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:09.400 Yeah, call it our cell. 00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.240 Um, so, so basically I, I, I 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:12.940 went straight out and bought 00:28:12.940 --> 00:28:14.400 like camobi.com. 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:15.830 And every time I talk about a 00:28:15.830 --> 00:28:17.450 mobile phone with a camera, I 00:28:17.450 --> 00:28:18.400 don't call it a camera phone. 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:20.430 Or, yeah, maybe, maybe I'd do, 00:28:20.430 --> 00:28:22.130 but what I wanted to do is make 00:28:22.130 --> 00:28:24.400 sure that every time I said 00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:25.850 the word or spoke about these 00:28:25.850 --> 00:28:26.990 camera phones that I had, 00:28:26.990 --> 00:28:28.390 because I was like the first 00:28:28.390 --> 00:28:28.400 person 00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:29.400 I knew of one. 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.430 Um, and then Joe, a doctor, um, 00:28:32.430 --> 00:28:33.400 had one. 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:35.320 And the, uh, and I wanted to 00:28:35.320 --> 00:28:37.710 just, you know, you keep saying 00:28:37.710 --> 00:28:40.400 things enough from people. 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:42.330 It's like podcasting, you know, 00:28:42.330 --> 00:28:43.730 if somebody had said blog 00:28:43.730 --> 00:28:45.400 casting straight off the bat. 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:46.400 I like blog, blogcasting. 00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:47.400 Yeah. 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.190 Well, because it, because it 00:28:49.190 --> 00:28:50.360 doesn't have that horrible 00:28:50.360 --> 00:28:52.400 white plastic ring to it. 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:53.400 I know. 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:54.440 Well, this is something that 00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:55.460 you and I both agree on that, 00:28:55.460 --> 00:28:56.400 that it's not a very popular 00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:58.020 thing is that, that the user 00:28:58.020 --> 00:28:59.590 interface of the iPod is like 00:28:59.590 --> 00:29:00.400 from hell. 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:02.400 The iPod is a great word. 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.450 Actually, something I wanted to 00:29:04.450 --> 00:29:05.900 say, you know, the, the 00:29:05.900 --> 00:29:07.620 invitation to serious, to 00:29:07.620 --> 00:29:08.400 serious. 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:09.400 Oh yeah. 00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:11.220 Apparently, um, some people, 00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:12.890 some colleagues of mine where I 00:29:12.890 --> 00:29:14.400 was yesterday, they said, 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.510 make sure you go because they 00:29:16.510 --> 00:29:18.530 have these pods, these audio 00:29:18.530 --> 00:29:20.400 booths where they record things 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:22.050 and they're like little pods 00:29:22.050 --> 00:29:23.570 and they're all kind of like 00:29:23.570 --> 00:29:24.400 acoustic kind of. 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:25.400 Yeah. 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:26.400 Oh, pod is a great word. 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:27.400 I have a, I have a Lexus. 00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:28.400 Yeah. 00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:30.400 Well, it's still around. 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.740 When I got my, uh, Lexus RX 300 00:29:33.740 --> 00:29:37.320 , uh, SUV in 1999, uh, it has 00:29:37.320 --> 00:29:39.400 this sort of ovular rounded 00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:40.670 shape to it, sort of like an 00:29:40.670 --> 00:29:41.400 egg in a way. 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:43.400 Uh, it kind of looks like one. 00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:45.110 And I felt like this was like 00:29:45.110 --> 00:29:46.970 my pod and that's what I called 00:29:46.970 --> 00:29:47.400 it. 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:48.950 And, uh, I used to tell people 00:29:48.950 --> 00:29:50.340 that basically this is sort of 00:29:50.340 --> 00:29:51.400 like your standard issue car. 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:53.030 Everyone should be issued one 00:29:53.030 --> 00:29:54.400 at birth, basically. 00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.510 It's sort of like Lexus for our 00:29:56.510 --> 00:29:57.400 species. 00:29:57.400 --> 00:29:58.800 It's a transportation for our 00:29:58.800 --> 00:29:59.400 species. 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:00.620 In other words, I kind of liked 00:30:00.620 --> 00:30:01.400 it or whatever. 00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:02.750 Some people get like silver 00:30:02.750 --> 00:30:04.400 bracelets and like, you know, 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:06.400 and, uh, little, little white 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:06.400 dresses, 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.400 but give them a Lexus. 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:10.930 Well, you know, kids got to get 00:30:10.930 --> 00:30:12.400 around, right? 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:13.400 Yeah. 00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:14.990 Speaking of which, um, two of 00:30:14.990 --> 00:30:16.450 my creations are, have their 00:30:16.450 --> 00:30:17.400 birthdays today. 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:18.400 Oh yeah. 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:20.800 Scripting news is eight years 00:30:20.800 --> 00:30:23.490 old today and, uh, and frontier 00:30:23.490 --> 00:30:25.400 is 17 years old. 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:26.400 17 years old. 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:27.400 17 years. 00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:28.960 And so as I said today in my 00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:30.800 post, uh, if it were a human 00:30:30.800 --> 00:30:32.400 being and 17 years old and 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.180 be ready to reproduce, ready to 00:30:34.180 --> 00:30:35.570 drive and pretty close to 00:30:35.570 --> 00:30:36.400 leaving home. 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:38.400 Old enough to do a lot more. 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.330 And as a parent of such a 17 00:30:41.330 --> 00:30:43.350 year old, one would have to say 00:30:43.350 --> 00:30:44.400 it's time to let go. 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:45.960 It's kind of a suspicious in a 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:47.600 way that last year was the year 00:30:47.600 --> 00:30:49.400 that all this wonderful 00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:50.870 technology was released under 00:30:50.870 --> 00:30:51.400 the GPL. 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:53.440 And, uh, and slowly I think a 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:55.350 community, a new community is 00:30:55.350 --> 00:30:56.400 developing around that. 00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:58.190 And some cool things are going 00:30:58.190 --> 00:30:59.400 to happen there. 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:01.400 So let's go back to your thing. 00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:02.720 So you're running a backend and 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:03.400 a front end. 00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:05.670 Your backend is just simply for 00:31:05.670 --> 00:31:07.980 processing the, uh, putting the 00:31:07.980 --> 00:31:08.400 ID three information 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:09.630 and maybe maintaining a 00:31:09.630 --> 00:31:10.400 directory. 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:11.400 I did. 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:12.400 Hold on. 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:13.400 Doing some pings too. 00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.390 The other thing is I have to 00:31:15.390 --> 00:31:17.700 say kind of step one will be, 00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:22.400 will be, uh, simple, um, simple 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.510 client and simple desktop and 00:31:24.510 --> 00:31:26.810 even the, uh, um, I don't know 00:31:26.810 --> 00:31:28.400 how to forget that the, 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:29.770 the backend will do some 00:31:29.770 --> 00:31:30.400 processing. 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:31.920 But if I can do it so that 00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.180 there's no backend processing, 00:31:34.180 --> 00:31:36.400 so all you need is red space. 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:37.400 Right. 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:38.400 That would be pretty good too. 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:39.400 Absolutely. 00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:40.400 There you go. 00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:41.400 That's it really. 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:43.040 You know, if you can do that, 00:31:43.040 --> 00:31:44.400 then problem solved. 00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:46.690 And if, and if it's easy, there 00:31:46.690 --> 00:31:47.710 's no problem with the client 00:31:47.710 --> 00:31:50.400 doing the pinging and sorting 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:51.750 things out for tags and stuff 00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:52.400 like that. 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:53.400 Yeah. 00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:55.100 I mean, it's a no brainer, but 00:31:55.100 --> 00:31:57.070 also the, um, uh, you mentioned 00:31:57.070 --> 00:31:59.400 , um, earlier about, uh, 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.530 was it, um, what I was going to 00:32:01.530 --> 00:32:03.510 say is it could also be a catch 00:32:03.510 --> 00:32:05.400 er, this desktop client as 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:06.650 well as being a batter could 00:32:06.650 --> 00:32:07.830 also be a catcher because as 00:32:07.830 --> 00:32:08.880 well as putting in my FTP 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:09.400 details 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:13.160 or, or, um, uh, the details to 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.320 my website, um, I could also 00:32:15.320 --> 00:32:16.900 put in the drive letter that 00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:18.690 my media player plugs in out 00:32:18.690 --> 00:32:20.430 and bingo, I'm just doing a 00:32:20.430 --> 00:32:21.400 file copy. 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.220 You know, I, I can do, I can do 00:32:23.220 --> 00:32:24.900 download with nice, pretty 00:32:24.900 --> 00:32:26.400 progress bars and little, 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:26.400 little 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:27.500 aliens jumping around and 00:32:27.500 --> 00:32:28.400 bouncing around. 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:29.650 Well, let's don't underestimate 00:32:29.650 --> 00:32:30.760 the importance of aliens 00:32:30.760 --> 00:32:31.400 bouncing around. 00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:32.400 Absolutely. 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:33.400 Yeah. 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:34.480 The problem with a lot of these 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:35.710 tools is that there's like, 00:32:35.710 --> 00:32:36.400 there aren't any good, we're 00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:37.400 the good Easter eggs. 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.400 You know, it's 2005. 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:40.400 Where are your Easter eggs? 00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:41.770 You know, we need to, there's 00:32:41.770 --> 00:32:42.400 no problem. 00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:43.670 We don't need to have fun, but 00:32:43.670 --> 00:32:44.400 what the hell? 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:45.400 Exactly. 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:46.400 Oh, that's good. 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:47.400 Yeah. 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:48.610 Well, I think you're going to 00:32:48.610 --> 00:32:49.920 do the, the, the creation tool 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:50.400 first. 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:51.400 Right. 00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:52.400 Yeah. 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:53.100 I mean, I've built, I've, I've 00:32:53.100 --> 00:32:53.750 already built half the, half 00:32:53.750 --> 00:32:54.400 the, well, I've built the, 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:55.720 an upload of what I haven't 00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:56.980 done is do the RSS beer and 00:32:56.980 --> 00:32:57.400 that's great. 00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:58.400 Right. 00:32:58.400 --> 00:32:59.780 So you think like maybe like 00:32:59.780 --> 00:33:00.400 tomorrow or. 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:01.610 In terms of what I could get 00:33:01.610 --> 00:33:03.010 done on the plane, in terms of 00:33:03.010 --> 00:33:04.400 how much I sleep on the plane. 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:05.380 You might want to catch up on 00:33:05.380 --> 00:33:06.400 your sleep on the plane. 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:07.400 I might. 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:08.100 I might have to do a bit of 00:33:08.100 --> 00:33:08.400 that. 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:09.400 So you're flying tonight. 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:10.810 You're flying across the ocean 00:33:10.810 --> 00:33:11.400 tonight. 00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:12.400 Yeah. 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:13.160 I'm going to take off at about 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:14.400 10. 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:15.730 And you arrive at 7 in the 00:33:15.730 --> 00:33:16.400 morning? 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:17.400 9. 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.170 And I arrive at, I arrive at 10 00:33:19.170 --> 00:33:20.400 , I think Saturday. 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:21.400 Is that right? 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:22.400 Saturday morning. 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:23.400 Right. 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:24.360 So I'm just, I'll fly through 00:33:24.360 --> 00:33:25.400 the night and chase the sun. 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:26.400 That's pretty easy. 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:27.400 New York to London is easy. 00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:29.400 San Francisco to London is not. 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:30.680 So what you've got, we did 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:32.180 Vegas, Vegas to London from CES 00:33:32.180 --> 00:33:32.400 . 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:34.030 And that was, I've never done, 00:33:34.030 --> 00:33:34.980 I've never been west coast 00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:35.400 before. 00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:36.400 Really? 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:36.940 I've never been to San 00:33:36.940 --> 00:33:37.400 Francisco yet. 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:38.760 And that's where I, I had an 00:33:38.760 --> 00:33:40.400 ambition to go and work there. 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:41.610 You know, that was, that used 00:33:41.610 --> 00:33:42.400 to be my ambition. 00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:43.830 I was like, okay, I'm going to 00:33:43.830 --> 00:33:44.400 do this. 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.550 Establish myself and what, in 00:33:46.550 --> 00:33:48.480 what I, in, in my realm of what 00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:49.400 I'm good at. 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:50.400 Workout work. 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:51.120 You're just a few years too 00:33:51.120 --> 00:33:51.400 late. 00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:53.080 You would have, they would have 00:33:53.080 --> 00:33:54.290 welcomed you with open arms 00:33:54.290 --> 00:33:55.400 during the dot-com boom. 00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:56.400 Exactly. 00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:57.400 And spit you right out. 00:33:57.400 --> 00:33:58.400 Yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah. 00:33:58.400 --> 00:33:59.400 Maybe I would be really. 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:00.420 You're probably better off 00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:01.570 having been where you are and 00:34:01.570 --> 00:34:02.400 get a real job. 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:03.400 Yeah. 00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:04.400 Yeah. 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:05.930 So we've been doing this, this 00:34:05.930 --> 00:34:07.400 is 34 minutes into it. 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:08.840 So I think we said that we 00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:10.510 would, yeah, I think you said 00:34:10.510 --> 00:34:12.400 that we would try to keep this 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:13.930 in, you know, because we both, 00:34:13.930 --> 00:34:15.230 I have to check out of my hotel 00:34:15.230 --> 00:34:16.400 , you have to check out of 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:17.400 yours. 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:18.400 I gotta get back over and check 00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:18.400 . 00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:18.930 Um, just a little bit of 00:34:18.930 --> 00:34:19.400 housekeeping. 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:20.400 What's your email address? 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:21.400 Uh, hotbat@gmail.com. 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:22.400 Hotbat@gmail.com. 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.980 And a lot of people asked me 00:34:24.980 --> 00:34:27.790 for my dad's email address in 00:34:27.790 --> 00:34:30.560 the last one that I didn't want 00:34:30.560 --> 00:34:32.120 to put it on scripting news 00:34:32.120 --> 00:34:33.840 because I didn't want to like 00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:35.420 subject him to the spam and 00:34:35.420 --> 00:34:36.160 whatever. 00:34:36.160 --> 00:34:37.500 I would have happily put it 00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:38.850 into the podcast that he did, 00:34:38.850 --> 00:34:40.400 um, because that would have 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:40.600 sort 00:34:40.600 --> 00:34:41.720 of meant that people would have 00:34:41.720 --> 00:34:42.920 had to listen to the podcast. 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:43.920 And just say things. 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:44.760 No, I just want to say his 00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:45.520 email address now. 00:34:45.520 --> 00:34:48.850 So if anybody wanted to write 00:34:48.850 --> 00:34:53.520 him, it's Lwiner9@yahoo.com. 00:34:53.520 --> 00:34:54.520 Interesting. 00:34:54.520 --> 00:34:55.230 I was just thinking of with 00:34:55.230 --> 00:34:55.520 Gmail. 00:34:55.520 --> 00:34:56.960 You listen, by the way, you 00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:58.520 listen to my dad's podcast. 00:34:58.520 --> 00:34:59.520 Yeah, yeah. 00:34:59.520 --> 00:35:00.520 He thought it was pretty good. 00:35:00.520 --> 00:35:01.520 Hello, the guy. 00:35:01.520 --> 00:35:02.300 I got so much positive feedback 00:35:02.300 --> 00:35:02.520 on it. 00:35:02.520 --> 00:35:03.520 Yeah. 00:35:03.520 --> 00:35:04.520 My brother from, yeah. 00:35:04.520 --> 00:35:05.860 He said, I'm just listening to 00:35:05.860 --> 00:35:06.520 Dave's dad. 00:35:06.520 --> 00:35:07.920 We're going to try to do one 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:09.520 with my mom and my dad tonight. 00:35:09.520 --> 00:35:10.520 That was good. 00:35:10.520 --> 00:35:11.520 Yeah. 00:35:11.520 --> 00:35:12.160 We kind of said hello briefly 00:35:12.160 --> 00:35:12.520 to your mom. 00:35:12.520 --> 00:35:14.870 When you Skype with her, you 00:35:14.870 --> 00:35:17.960 just played the, the, the, the 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:19.520 blood cast. 00:35:19.520 --> 00:35:21.520 Oh, she listened to it. 00:35:21.520 --> 00:35:22.480 I don't think you ever talked 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:23.520 to her, but she listened to it. 00:35:23.520 --> 00:35:24.520 Oh, I thought she was there in 00:35:24.520 --> 00:35:25.520 the background when you said. 00:35:25.520 --> 00:35:27.090 No, no, I was in Florida, but 00:35:27.090 --> 00:35:28.550 no, my mother listens to all 00:35:28.550 --> 00:35:29.520 the podcasts. 00:35:29.520 --> 00:35:31.520 She's a real, real, you know, 00:35:31.520 --> 00:35:33.330 she's probably listening to 00:35:33.330 --> 00:35:34.520 this right now. 00:35:34.520 --> 00:35:35.520 You know, hi mom. 00:35:35.520 --> 00:35:36.520 Hi Dave's mom. 00:35:36.520 --> 00:35:38.300 And so yeah, I'm going to try 00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:40.020 to do one with both of them or 00:35:40.020 --> 00:35:41.520 maybe just her tonight or 00:35:41.520 --> 00:35:42.520 whatever. 00:35:42.520 --> 00:35:43.970 So you get to meet the whole 00:35:43.970 --> 00:35:44.520 clan. 00:35:44.520 --> 00:35:46.060 There was, there was something 00:35:46.060 --> 00:35:47.520 else I was going to say then, 00:35:47.520 --> 00:35:49.520 but it's slipped my mind. 00:35:49.520 --> 00:35:50.520 Maybe he'll keep. 00:35:50.520 --> 00:35:52.090 I'm sorry for, I interrupted 00:35:52.090 --> 00:35:52.520 you. 00:35:52.520 --> 00:35:54.520 Oh, we can wait. 00:35:54.520 --> 00:35:55.520 It's okay. 00:35:55.520 --> 00:35:56.520 We have nothing better to do. 00:35:56.520 --> 00:35:57.520 That's true. 00:35:57.520 --> 00:35:58.520 Kelly time, drinking coffee. 00:35:58.520 --> 00:35:59.520 Oh yeah. 00:35:59.520 --> 00:36:01.020 This is really morning coffee 00:36:01.020 --> 00:36:02.560 notes after all because we, 00:36:02.560 --> 00:36:03.520 they gave us a full pot of 00:36:03.520 --> 00:36:03.520 coffee 00:36:03.520 --> 00:36:04.520 here. 00:36:04.520 --> 00:36:05.520 So we feel obligated. 00:36:05.520 --> 00:36:07.300 I was, I was, I had just said 00:36:07.300 --> 00:36:09.150 your email address, which is h 00:36:09.150 --> 00:36:10.520 odbat@gmail.com. 00:36:10.520 --> 00:36:12.040 I was going to say the Gmail 00:36:12.040 --> 00:36:12.520 thing. 00:36:12.520 --> 00:36:13.520 Yeah. 00:36:13.520 --> 00:36:15.370 Obviously, you know, like the, 00:36:15.370 --> 00:36:16.930 the darling of the web mail now 00:36:16.930 --> 00:36:18.520 , obviously the, uh, now 00:36:18.520 --> 00:36:20.160 are they going to be putting 00:36:20.160 --> 00:36:21.950 author linking into the email 00:36:21.950 --> 00:36:22.520 copy? 00:36:22.520 --> 00:36:23.520 Yeah. 00:36:23.520 --> 00:36:24.520 Is that, I mean, I know. 00:36:24.520 --> 00:36:25.520 Oh yes. 00:36:25.520 --> 00:36:26.630 Of course they are because, 00:36:26.630 --> 00:36:28.100 because they have had since, I 00:36:28.100 --> 00:36:29.520 mean, I, I like the ads that 00:36:29.520 --> 00:36:30.930 they put on in Gmail because 00:36:30.930 --> 00:36:32.520 they are relevant to something 00:36:32.520 --> 00:36:33.520 I might be talking to somebody 00:36:33.520 --> 00:36:34.520 about. 00:36:34.520 --> 00:36:35.520 Right. 00:36:35.520 --> 00:36:36.080 And what if I'm talking to 00:36:36.080 --> 00:36:36.520 somebody about. 00:36:36.520 --> 00:36:38.520 And they're easy to do now. 00:36:38.520 --> 00:36:39.520 Right. 00:36:39.520 --> 00:36:40.520 Well, that's exactly it. 00:36:40.520 --> 00:36:42.270 You know, it's like you can, 00:36:42.270 --> 00:36:44.160 you know, you don't notice them 00:36:44.160 --> 00:36:45.520 unless you kind of just, 00:36:45.520 --> 00:36:47.380 oh, look, there's ads and the, 00:36:47.380 --> 00:36:49.060 the, uh, but if links start 00:36:49.060 --> 00:36:50.520 appearing in my email. 00:36:50.520 --> 00:36:51.520 Yeah. 00:36:51.520 --> 00:36:52.520 No kidding. 00:36:52.520 --> 00:36:53.520 You know, get out of here. 00:36:53.520 --> 00:36:54.520 Yeah. 00:36:54.520 --> 00:36:55.430 Get off my email, you know, 00:36:55.430 --> 00:36:56.520 that's like, that's, that's. 00:36:56.520 --> 00:36:58.140 That's the funny thing about 00:36:58.140 --> 00:36:59.750 the auto link thing is that it 00:36:59.750 --> 00:37:01.520 's going to creep up on people 00:37:01.520 --> 00:37:02.900 and they're going to wonder why 00:37:02.900 --> 00:37:04.260 nobody complained about this 00:37:04.260 --> 00:37:05.520 when the first appeared. 00:37:05.520 --> 00:37:07.360 Would you mind if, would, would 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:08.870 you be less, what about the 00:37:08.870 --> 00:37:10.520 argument about if they would 00:37:10.520 --> 00:37:11.990 use like dotted lines, wavy 00:37:11.990 --> 00:37:12.520 lines. 00:37:12.520 --> 00:37:13.730 No, I wouldn't, that would not 00:37:13.730 --> 00:37:14.520 be enough for me. 00:37:14.520 --> 00:37:15.610 And in fact, what I have 00:37:15.610 --> 00:37:17.010 suggested to them, although 00:37:17.010 --> 00:37:18.520 they didn't really want to hear 00:37:18.520 --> 00:37:19.520 this 00:37:19.520 --> 00:37:21.920 is that, um, is that they do 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.220 the links off on the side the 00:37:24.220 --> 00:37:26.520 same way they're doing the 00:37:26.520 --> 00:37:28.270 linking and ad copy, you know, 00:37:28.270 --> 00:37:30.200 um, in other words, create a 00:37:30.200 --> 00:37:31.520 frame over on the right-hand 00:37:31.520 --> 00:37:33.620 side of the page, if you must 00:37:33.620 --> 00:37:35.760 do this and just say related 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:37.520 links and then boom, boom, 00:37:37.520 --> 00:37:39.320 boom, boom, you know, link to 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:40.620 things that you need, 00:37:40.620 --> 00:37:42.190 absolutely need to link to so 00:37:42.190 --> 00:37:42.520 that 00:37:42.520 --> 00:37:44.080 they're segmented so that it's 00:37:44.080 --> 00:37:45.640 very clear that this isn't part 00:37:45.640 --> 00:37:46.520 of my content. 00:37:46.520 --> 00:37:48.520 It's in a frame off by itself. 00:37:48.520 --> 00:37:50.630 Uh, I, I still wouldn't like 00:37:50.630 --> 00:37:52.570 that because they're not, 00:37:52.570 --> 00:37:54.520 because I don't have ads on 00:37:54.520 --> 00:37:54.520 most of 00:37:54.520 --> 00:37:55.520 my web pages. 00:37:55.520 --> 00:37:57.020 The ones that I do have ads on, 00:37:57.020 --> 00:37:57.520 sure. 00:37:57.520 --> 00:37:58.520 That's fine. 00:37:58.520 --> 00:38:00.590 See, Google AdSense is all opt- 00:38:00.590 --> 00:38:01.520 in, right? 00:38:01.520 --> 00:38:02.520 And I'm a member of it. 00:38:02.520 --> 00:38:03.520 I use it. 00:38:03.520 --> 00:38:04.520 I get my check every month. 00:38:04.520 --> 00:38:05.520 I deposit it. 00:38:05.520 --> 00:38:07.210 It helps to free my costs of 00:38:07.210 --> 00:38:08.940 web hosting, but I only put it 00:38:08.940 --> 00:38:10.520 on non-editorial pages. 00:38:10.520 --> 00:38:11.520 I put it on weblogs.com. 00:38:11.520 --> 00:38:13.750 I put it on, you know, like XML 00:38:13.750 --> 00:38:15.650 or PC, which is by the way, 00:38:15.650 --> 00:38:17.520 really high flow site. 00:38:17.520 --> 00:38:19.140 So I put an ad on that because 00:38:19.140 --> 00:38:20.730 there's basically just an 00:38:20.730 --> 00:38:21.520 archive. 00:38:21.520 --> 00:38:22.880 There isn't a whole lot of new 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:24.430 stuff being posted in, you know 00:38:24.430 --> 00:38:25.520 , so I make my choice about 00:38:25.520 --> 00:38:26.970 where the ads go and I put them 00:38:26.970 --> 00:38:27.520 there. 00:38:27.520 --> 00:38:29.110 And I'd be perfectly happy to, 00:38:29.110 --> 00:38:30.520 to continue doing that. 00:38:30.520 --> 00:38:31.680 Why they're not, I think it's 00:38:31.680 --> 00:38:32.520 kind of obvious. 00:38:32.520 --> 00:38:33.520 They want to make more money. 00:38:33.520 --> 00:38:35.360 And they, if they can cut me 00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:37.320 out of the equation, they'll 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.520 make my money and their money. 00:38:39.520 --> 00:38:40.520 Number one. 00:38:40.520 --> 00:38:41.820 Number two is if they can put 00:38:41.820 --> 00:38:43.240 ads everywhere and when I will 00:38:43.240 --> 00:38:45.520 only put them some places, 00:38:45.520 --> 00:38:47.260 then, you know, then that makes 00:38:47.260 --> 00:38:48.520 them more money too. 00:38:48.520 --> 00:38:50.440 But I would vastly prefer that 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.130 to the idea of them messing 00:38:52.130 --> 00:38:53.520 with what I write. 00:38:53.520 --> 00:38:54.990 Messing with what I write is 00:38:54.990 --> 00:38:56.520 just totally non-acceptable. 00:38:56.520 --> 00:38:57.870 We're going to have to, if that 00:38:57.870 --> 00:38:59.140 is the way the web is going to 00:38:59.140 --> 00:38:59.520 work, we're going to 00:38:59.520 --> 00:39:00.520 have to leave the web. 00:39:00.520 --> 00:39:01.720 And not only am I going to have 00:39:01.720 --> 00:39:03.120 to leave the web, but any 00:39:03.120 --> 00:39:05.520 publication with integrity is 00:39:05.520 --> 00:39:06.890 going to have to leave the web 00:39:06.890 --> 00:39:08.470 because the reader simply isn't 00:39:08.470 --> 00:39:09.520 going to know who's saying 00:39:09.520 --> 00:39:10.520 what anymore. 00:39:10.520 --> 00:39:12.420 Well, people won't trust the, 00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:14.210 won't trust the HTML, won't 00:39:14.210 --> 00:39:15.520 trust the web browser anymore. 00:39:15.520 --> 00:39:16.520 What they're seeing. 00:39:16.520 --> 00:39:18.540 What they will trust is smart 00:39:18.540 --> 00:39:20.420 little bouncy applications 00:39:20.420 --> 00:39:22.520 written in flash that are 00:39:22.520 --> 00:39:22.520 really 00:39:22.520 --> 00:39:24.520 good at reading RSS feeds. 00:39:24.520 --> 00:39:26.270 So there's the data, there's 00:39:26.270 --> 00:39:28.090 your content, your content's 00:39:28.090 --> 00:39:28.520 there. 00:39:28.520 --> 00:39:29.840 Well, that opens the whole, 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:31.110 everybody, this one, when 00:39:31.110 --> 00:39:31.520 people really... 00:39:31.520 --> 00:39:32.520 The browser is dead, everybody. 00:39:32.520 --> 00:39:34.420 Well, now, I don't want to go 00:39:34.420 --> 00:39:36.270 that far because you can just 00:39:36.270 --> 00:39:37.520 leave it there and see if you 00:39:37.520 --> 00:39:39.030 take it back after I say this 00:39:39.030 --> 00:39:39.520 though. 00:39:39.520 --> 00:39:41.690 Is that when people really give 00:39:41.690 --> 00:39:43.900 this discussion serious thought 00:39:43.900 --> 00:39:45.520 and don't just dismiss it out 00:39:45.520 --> 00:39:47.430 of hand, the issue, next issue 00:39:47.430 --> 00:39:49.230 that comes up is, well, what 00:39:49.230 --> 00:39:50.520 about blog lines? 00:39:50.520 --> 00:39:52.350 Like, when they put ads on your 00:39:52.350 --> 00:39:53.950 copy, how do you feel about 00:39:53.950 --> 00:39:54.520 that? 00:39:54.520 --> 00:39:56.050 And, you know, blog lines is 00:39:56.050 --> 00:39:57.520 showing up more and more in my 00:39:57.520 --> 00:39:58.520 referral logs. 00:39:58.520 --> 00:40:00.400 I mean, there's a lot of people 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.520 reading my stuff in blog lines. 00:40:02.520 --> 00:40:05.200 And so, you know, I'll tell you 00:40:05.200 --> 00:40:07.380 , the answer is I don't think 00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:09.520 that's as objectionable as 00:40:09.520 --> 00:40:11.460 what Google does because there 00:40:11.460 --> 00:40:13.310 's no question when people are 00:40:13.310 --> 00:40:15.520 reading it in blog lines that 00:40:15.520 --> 00:40:18.350 they know that they're reading 00:40:18.350 --> 00:40:20.240 something that has been 00:40:20.240 --> 00:40:21.520 processed. 00:40:21.520 --> 00:40:23.310 So, they're less likely to 00:40:23.310 --> 00:40:24.870 believe that I put the link 00:40:24.870 --> 00:40:25.520 there. 00:40:25.520 --> 00:40:27.570 On the other hand, you know, I 00:40:27.570 --> 00:40:29.160 don't think it's a good idea 00:40:29.160 --> 00:40:30.520 and I don't want them to 00:40:30.520 --> 00:40:31.520 do it. 00:40:31.520 --> 00:40:33.280 And would it stop me from 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:34.520 publishing an RSS? 00:40:34.520 --> 00:40:35.520 Probably not. 00:40:35.520 --> 00:40:36.720 Would it lead me to do 00:40:36.720 --> 00:40:38.580 something like blocking blog 00:40:38.580 --> 00:40:40.520 lines from subscribing to it? 00:40:40.520 --> 00:40:42.650 In other words, all that this 00:40:42.650 --> 00:40:44.710 is going to accomplish in the 00:40:44.710 --> 00:40:47.230 end, all this crap that these 00:40:47.230 --> 00:40:47.520 technology 00:40:47.520 --> 00:40:49.110 companies want to do, or at 00:40:49.110 --> 00:40:50.830 least Google, you know, let's 00:40:50.830 --> 00:40:52.520 not, like, speak on behalf of 00:40:52.520 --> 00:40:54.700 the other technology companies 00:40:54.700 --> 00:40:56.640 so far, it's just Google, is 00:40:56.640 --> 00:40:58.310 that they want to just balkan 00:40:58.310 --> 00:40:58.520 ize 00:40:58.520 --> 00:40:59.520 the web. 00:40:59.520 --> 00:41:01.230 They want us to put up a, you 00:41:01.230 --> 00:41:02.980 know, we'll put up a Berlin 00:41:02.980 --> 00:41:03.520 Wall. 00:41:03.520 --> 00:41:05.040 We'll try to keep them in, you 00:41:05.040 --> 00:41:05.520 know? 00:41:05.520 --> 00:41:07.470 They already have phenomenal 00:41:07.470 --> 00:41:09.570 problems right now with, I mean 00:41:09.570 --> 00:41:11.520 , Google, actually, very few 00:41:11.520 --> 00:41:13.340 people are focused on this and 00:41:13.340 --> 00:41:15.340 it's kind of hard to switch the 00:41:15.340 --> 00:41:16.520 focus without sort of sounding 00:41:16.520 --> 00:41:18.310 a little alarmist, but Google's 00:41:18.310 --> 00:41:19.970 having a lot of trouble keeping 00:41:19.970 --> 00:41:21.520 maintaining the integrity 00:41:21.520 --> 00:41:23.770 of their index because people 00:41:23.770 --> 00:41:25.950 have become so good at spamming 00:41:25.950 --> 00:41:26.520 it. 00:41:26.520 --> 00:41:28.270 And so, you know, you'll do 00:41:28.270 --> 00:41:29.810 searches on things that seem to 00:41:29.810 --> 00:41:31.520 have absolutely nothing to do 00:41:31.520 --> 00:41:35.580 with Viagra, but somehow Viagra 00:41:35.580 --> 00:41:38.520 will be the first hit. 00:41:38.520 --> 00:41:39.520 Boy. 00:41:39.520 --> 00:41:41.520 That was a good one. 00:41:41.520 --> 00:41:43.520 Right on, everybody. 00:41:43.520 --> 00:41:44.520 Yeah. 00:41:44.520 --> 00:41:47.400 Oh, I don't want to say what I 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:50.040 was thinking, but yeah, 00:41:50.040 --> 00:41:51.520 everybody. 00:41:51.520 --> 00:41:52.520 Sorry. 00:41:52.520 --> 00:41:53.520 Boy. 00:41:53.520 --> 00:41:54.520 Yeah. 00:41:54.520 --> 00:41:58.920 Anyway, so everybody, we are 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.520 now at 42 minutes. 00:42:02.520 --> 00:42:03.520 Wow. 00:42:03.520 --> 00:42:04.520 Wow. 00:42:04.520 --> 00:42:05.000 So we're going to have to do 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:05.520 this again sometime. 00:42:05.520 --> 00:42:06.520 We'll have to do it. 00:42:06.520 --> 00:42:07.560 You know, we have, this is our 00:42:07.560 --> 00:42:08.520 second podcast, right? 00:42:08.520 --> 00:42:09.520 We have Skype. 00:42:09.520 --> 00:42:10.520 Yeah. 00:42:10.520 --> 00:42:11.500 And I'm going to, the last one 00:42:11.500 --> 00:42:12.520 we did, it kept kicking out. 00:42:12.520 --> 00:42:13.520 My Skype kept kicking out. 00:42:13.520 --> 00:42:14.790 We're going to have to figure 00:42:14.790 --> 00:42:15.520 out how to do that. 00:42:15.520 --> 00:42:16.830 Or I'll come to London and we 00:42:16.830 --> 00:42:18.080 can do one over there on the 00:42:18.080 --> 00:42:19.520 other side of the earth. 00:42:19.520 --> 00:42:21.300 Well, I think there are some 00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:23.010 people who may be wanting to 00:42:23.010 --> 00:42:23.520 see. 00:42:23.520 --> 00:42:24.830 Even if they don't want to see 00:42:24.830 --> 00:42:26.130 me, I can afford to pay my own 00:42:26.130 --> 00:42:26.520 way. 00:42:26.520 --> 00:42:27.630 You know, that happens 00:42:27.630 --> 00:42:28.520 sometimes too. 00:42:28.520 --> 00:42:29.460 And you've got a big birthday 00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:30.520 coming up too, haven't you? 00:42:30.520 --> 00:42:31.840 I do, but I also have to get 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:32.520 eye surgery. 00:42:32.520 --> 00:42:33.100 So that's sort of sitting in 00:42:33.100 --> 00:42:33.520 the middle of it. 00:42:33.520 --> 00:42:34.240 Right, when's that going to 00:42:34.240 --> 00:42:34.520 happen? 00:42:34.520 --> 00:42:35.520 I haven't scheduled yet. 00:42:35.520 --> 00:42:36.960 So, you know, I'm going to try 00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:38.320 to leave myself free to go have 00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:40.520 , yes, I have the big 50th. 00:42:40.520 --> 00:42:43.520 So today's 17th frontier. 00:42:43.520 --> 00:42:45.520 It's eight for scripting news, 00:42:45.520 --> 00:42:46.940 but that's nothing compared to 00:42:46.940 --> 00:42:47.520 the next one. 00:42:47.520 --> 00:42:49.040 Which is coming up in a month 00:42:49.040 --> 00:42:50.730 and a day, which is my 50th 00:42:50.730 --> 00:42:51.520 birthday. 00:42:51.520 --> 00:42:53.980 In fact, there's a guy, there's 00:42:53.980 --> 00:42:55.650 a guy, when you do come over, 00:42:55.650 --> 00:42:56.850 because, oh, yes, you will be 00:42:56.850 --> 00:42:57.520 coming to London. 00:42:57.520 --> 00:42:59.520 You know, you will. 00:42:59.520 --> 00:43:00.180 How about the girls who are 00:43:00.180 --> 00:43:00.930 saying, oh, yes, he will be 00:43:00.930 --> 00:43:01.520 coming to London? 00:43:01.520 --> 00:43:02.970 Oh, yes, you will be coming to 00:43:02.970 --> 00:43:03.520 London. 00:43:03.520 --> 00:43:05.520 The girls don't talk that way. 00:43:05.520 --> 00:43:08.520 The girls talk like that. 00:43:08.520 --> 00:43:12.520 Oh, dear. 00:43:12.520 --> 00:43:13.520 Tangent. 00:43:13.520 --> 00:43:15.520 We're having too much fun here. 00:43:15.520 --> 00:43:17.520 That's 43 minutes. 00:43:17.520 --> 00:43:20.520 43 and 17 seconds, 18 seconds. 00:43:20.520 --> 00:43:23.120 This guy, there's like one day 00:43:23.120 --> 00:43:25.520 between your birthdays. 00:43:25.520 --> 00:43:27.520 Yeah, that's interesting. 00:43:27.520 --> 00:43:28.760 Now I have a story to go with 00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:29.520 that, too. 00:43:29.520 --> 00:43:30.720 They were trying to have me 00:43:30.720 --> 00:43:31.890 born on my grandfather's 00:43:31.890 --> 00:43:32.520 birthday. 00:43:32.520 --> 00:43:33.830 I think you're only a week away 00:43:33.830 --> 00:43:34.920 from my father's birthday, 00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:35.520 actually. 00:43:35.520 --> 00:43:36.470 Yeah, I was one day away from 00:43:36.470 --> 00:43:37.520 my grandfather's birthday. 00:43:37.520 --> 00:43:39.520 He was born on May 1st. 00:43:39.520 --> 00:43:41.520 It's not Gemini, is it? 00:43:41.520 --> 00:43:43.610 Taurus, which means obstinate 00:43:43.610 --> 00:43:44.520 and pushy. 00:43:44.520 --> 00:43:46.520 Yeah, I'm Gemini. 00:43:46.520 --> 00:43:48.520 And what does that mean? 00:43:48.520 --> 00:43:50.520 Diplomatic. 00:43:50.520 --> 00:43:52.290 Some people would say two-faced 00:43:52.290 --> 00:43:52.520 . 00:43:52.520 --> 00:43:54.520 I would say diplomatic. 00:43:54.520 --> 00:43:56.670 No, but I avoid arguments by 00:43:56.670 --> 00:43:58.080 trying to see both sides of the 00:43:58.080 --> 00:43:58.520 problem. 00:43:58.520 --> 00:43:59.610 No, I think it's good to have 00:43:59.610 --> 00:44:00.520 people like that around. 00:44:00.520 --> 00:44:02.520 I mean, that's kind of... 00:44:02.520 --> 00:44:04.520 You also digress. You should 00:44:04.520 --> 00:44:04.520 have that on your business card 00:44:04.520 --> 00:44:04.520 . 00:44:04.520 --> 00:44:06.520 I digress. 00:44:06.520 --> 00:44:08.520 Me? No, I don't. 00:44:08.520 --> 00:44:11.610 I'm just like this recurring, 00:44:11.610 --> 00:44:12.520 this there. 00:44:12.520 --> 00:44:14.520 Recursive. 00:44:14.520 --> 00:44:16.520 It's okay. You need somebody 00:44:16.520 --> 00:44:16.520 around. 00:44:16.520 --> 00:44:18.170 You need somebody to tap on the 00:44:18.170 --> 00:44:18.520 table. 00:44:18.520 --> 00:44:20.520 That's right. 00:44:20.520 --> 00:44:22.900 Okay, so everybody, this is now 00:44:22.900 --> 00:44:24.090 43 minutes, so we've talked 00:44:24.090 --> 00:44:24.520 enough. 00:44:24.520 --> 00:44:26.520 Thank you. 00:44:26.520 --> 00:44:28.190 Coming to you from New York 00:44:28.190 --> 00:44:30.650 City, the basement of the U.N. 00:44:30.650 --> 00:44:32.520 Millennium Plaza Hotel. 00:44:32.520 --> 00:44:34.520 This is Morning Coffee Notes 00:44:34.520 --> 00:44:38.520 for April 1st, 2005. 00:44:38.520 --> 00:44:40.520 It's all been a joke. 00:44:40.520 --> 00:44:42.760 (laughing)