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 Good morning everybody. This is

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 a brief, this is Dave Weiner

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 first and this is a

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 very brief morning coffee notes

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 for Friday May 13th 2005. Today

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 I listen to

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 Chris Leiden's pilot broadcast

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 or actually pilot podcast of

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 his new

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 radio show on PRI called Open

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 Source and I was gonna write a

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 little essay and

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 then I thought well how

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 appropriate would it be to

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 write an essay when I

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 could actually just like open

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 up my microphone right you know

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 a little

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 recorder app and my microphone

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 and just record a little

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 response. So anyway let

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 me just set the stage for you.

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 I listened to Chris's podcast.

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 I was walking

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 north on the beach starting

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 about a couple miles south of C

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rescent Beach in

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 Florida. I was actually walking

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 south not north sorry and on

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 the way south I

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 walked on the sand. The beach

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 here is very wide and very flat

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 and it was it

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 wasn't exactly low tide but it

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 certainly wasn't anything

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 remotely close to high

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 tide so there was lots and lots

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 of sand and it's flat and it's

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 not mushy sand

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 it's it's sort of like it's

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 like walking on pavement so it

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's not really

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 comfortable to walk barefoot so

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 I wear these sandals rubber

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 sandals and because

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 you can also walk in the water

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 with the rubber sandals which

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 is kind of cool

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 but they're good for walking on

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 the sort of hard pack sand

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 which is much better

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 than walking on the soft sand

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 and the soft sand where it's

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 sort of like every

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 step is a trudge and this isn't

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 like that this is like walking

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 on a sidewalk

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 it's really comfortable and

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 every so often you come to an

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 inlet a little

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 inlet in the sand where the

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 water from the waves it's sort

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 of like a little

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 tide pool and as the wave comes

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 in the water comes up and it

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 never fully goes

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 all the way out and so you get

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 your feet a little wet which is

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 kind of refreshing

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 the water this time of year

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 already isn't really very

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 refreshing it's already

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 quite warm which makes for good

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 swimming it's not shocking

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 although it kind of

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 liked it when it was really

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 cold a couple of months ago

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 when the water was

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 much colder and then when you

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 go in swimming of course well

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 it was kind of

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 hard to get acclimated but when

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 you came out your you felt like

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 good to your

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 bones it was so nice it's a

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 really nice sort of nice bony

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 sort of nice feeling

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 anyway so I walked a half an

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 hour south and then I turned

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 around and walked back

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 and coming north it took me

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 more than a half hour because

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 because I walked a

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 little more slowly because I

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 walked in the water up to about

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 my knees and points

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 and of course as the waves

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 would come in and we get deeper

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 and as the waves would

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 go out it would get more

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 shallow and of course I enjoy

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 that way of walking much

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 more it's and and on the way

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 south I mostly listened to Jay

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 Rosen and Lex

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 from from Greensboro and on the

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 way north Lisa Williams who I

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 think stole the

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 show she was the star she was

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 talking about as always I mean

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 I don't just say

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 that because I like to sort of

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 you know I mean sometimes you

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 feel weird about it

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 because well you know it's like

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 people might think what you're

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 saying that

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 because she's a woman but Lisa

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 and you know we try to be

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 gender balanced in

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 everything we do right and he

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 can't do it in the blog world

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 it's just it's

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 impossible there just aren't

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 enough women and so it's you

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 know it's but I tell

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 you Lisa is one of those there

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 are like two kinds of women

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 there sorry oh boy

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 like an intro for this whatever

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 see that that's the problem is

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 that women have a

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 so intimidated they make all

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 kinds of incredibly personal

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 and deep statements

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 about men like Halley suit

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 talks about what it means to be

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 an alpha male and

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 and Shelly Powers talks about

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 she makes my whole gender

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 responsible for the sort

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 of pigishness of one group of

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 people who put on a put on

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 conferences hey they

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 exclude me too you know it's

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 not just they exclude women I

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 find that places that

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 exclude people generally I tend

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 to get excluded you know I

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 think it'll make a

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 lot of people uncomfortable

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 part of it is because I'm like

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 Jewish and there's a

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 lot of anti-semitism in the

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 world and you know and it's not

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 considered a cause

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 it's not you don't hear it

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 people go go let's be balanced

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 you know ethnically

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 balanced and I think a lot of

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 the stuff that I was getting in

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 Nashville honest

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 goodness I think a lot of it

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 was anti-semitism you should

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 see some of the

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 cartoons they drew I was

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 shocked that they made me look

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 like a rabbi and I

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 don't really look like a rabbi

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 I mean I don't think I do I've

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 got a lot of like

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 you know non-Jewish blood in me

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 so you know well you know

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 whatever I am Jewish

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 though anyway I digress Lisa

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 Williams is one of those women

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 who never

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 makes an issue out of she just

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 but she belongs and she's great

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 and I've

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 included her as the discussion

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 leader at BligerCon and she was

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 one of the

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 regulars at Berkman Thursdays

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 and she really she really did

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 steal the show

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 she has this sort of charm to

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 her that is just you know it's

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 refreshing and then

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 Doug K came on and Doug

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 explained what podcasting was

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 about and and then Ben

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 Walker who Ben Ben doesn't like

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 me and I know that because he's

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 come out and

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 said it quite a few times and

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 and I think he doesn't like me

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 because I said

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 some things that he didn't like

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 about public radio we had a you

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 know whatever

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 he asked me what I thought once

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 he he said you're actually he

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 told me what I

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 thought he said you like public

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 radio because he gives you all

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 this

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 information and you know it

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 keeps you informed and I raised

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 my hand I said no

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 no that's not why I like public

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 radio because I do like public

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 radio and I

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 said I like it because it's

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 relaxing and it's true I mean I

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 don't really listen

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 public radio very much now I

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 don't know why I can't tell you

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 why but it's the

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 truth but you know when I lived

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 in Boston when I would be

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 working I would keep

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 public radio on all the time

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 while I was doing you know

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 technical work or writing

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 work or whatever and I believe

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 me if it weren't relaxing I

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 couldn't if it were

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 mentally and intellectually

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 stimulating I couldn't have it

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 on while I was working

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 and so Ben you know you gotta

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 sort of trust me on that and so

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 one of the things

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 that I was evangelizing and one

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 of the reasons Ben didn't like

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 me or if so I

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 gathered was because I was you

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 know an evangelist of podcast

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ing and although

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 it wasn't at the time called

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 podcasting it is in every sense

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 what eventually

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 became to be known as podcast

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ing and it was kind of

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 interesting I wanted Chris

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 if Chris were sort of more and

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 Chris is a friend of Ben's and

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 he said as much and

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 and maybe this is why you don't

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 want friends interview and

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 other friends

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 because now one question I

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 would have asked Ben had I been

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 interviewing and

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 was hey Ben am I okay now that

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 you like podcasting because I

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 mean Ben has the

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 podcasting religion he really

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 gets it he although I have to

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 say that Chris could

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 use a kick in the ass about

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 podcasting which is why I

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 picked up the microphone

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 and decided to do this podcast

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 today because Chris well I love

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 you and I

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 think you're great and I really

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 hope I expect your show is

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 gonna be great the

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 sooner you get this particular

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 bug out of your butt the sooner

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 your show is

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 gonna go and soar to great new

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 heights and the problem is this

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 is that and I'm

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 gonna project wildly here and I

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'm gonna tell you why Chris has

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 the attitude

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 that he has and I could be way

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 wrong but honestly I don't

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 think I am and Chris

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 gotta know I hope you're

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 listening to this you gotta

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 know that this is I'm in

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 the spirit of of wanting to be

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 helpful and and and to sort of

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 like save you

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 some time basically it this is

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 what I think they're a Chris is

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 a radio

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 professional and does a

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 wonderful job of interviewing

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 people and and his polish

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 is you know second to none and

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 you know their show you know

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 they hit all the

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 marks I don't even know how

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 they do it I mean you know it's

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 sort of like you know

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 how to how does somebody make a

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 website flow well well that I

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 know how to do but

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 how do you make a radio show

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 flow the way Chris does it and

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 Mary and whoever

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 else is working on it you know

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 maybe at some point I'll be

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 that way but it's

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 really actually not one of my

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 goals you know I like doing a

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 rough radio program

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 I like doing a rough podcast

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 which is what you're listening

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 to right now I

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 like it rough I like it rough

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 because as I've said so many

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 times before is that

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 when it's too processed I'm

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 suspicious that you know it's

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 my clue that the

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 humanity has been sucked out of

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 it and it's that's the

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 nutrition you know that

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 I get from it's when it becomes

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 soothing and relaxing but if it

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 if it has a rough

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 sort of miss to it a lack of

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 production well you can't

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 listen to that in the

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 background it's sort of like

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 hey this guy's talking to me

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 and you know it's

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 kind of distracting if somebody

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's talking to you while you're

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 trying to get

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 some work done so so when a

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 professional hears podcasts

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 what do they snap to

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 what's there how do they you

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 know what do they come on to oh

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 well quality is

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 really bad it's really shit it

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's awful stuff most of its crap

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 blah blah blah

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 blah well no Chris it's not

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 crap somebody thinks it's not

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 crap somebody

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 thinks it's good okay and this

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 whole idea that has to be high

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 quality is such a

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 20th century idea and that idea

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 just has to die it just has to

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 go it's going to

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 go and if you want to have your

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 feet planted firmly in blogging

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 and in

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 podcasting if you want to be a

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 conduit for the ideas that flow

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 out of this space

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 you have to learn to stop

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 insisting on the highest

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 quality of production or a

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 highest or the most beautiful

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 voice the most malefluous voice

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 the most sonorous

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 voice the most beautiful voice

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 you know listen to the last

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 podcast that I did

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 the Pisa podcast Pisa as in the

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 leading power of Pisa which was

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 a speech that I

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 delivered I don't even know if

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 they actually ever listen to it

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 I hope they

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 did but it was done for a

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 conference of technology users

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 in Pisa Italy and I

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 explained it's 25 minutes it's

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 definitely worth listening to I

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'd say listen to it

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 all the way through because

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 because the point is as we and

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 I want to repeat

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 myself is that creativity is so

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 important creativity you know

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 when you

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 when your kid brings home a

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 drawing from school that they

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 created themselves that

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 reflects some story that they

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 want to tell you don't call

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 that crap right in

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 fact it's not hard to see the

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 beauty in that that there's a

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 little human being

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 there the new human being who

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 is creating something and this

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 is reflective

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 of something inside of them

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 that they're that they're

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 wanting to communicate to

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 you they've chosen to show this

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 to you because they want you to

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 understand this

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 part of themselves they want

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 you to see that they're

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 beautiful but they they are

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 colorful that they see

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 something that they have

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 perhaps some difficulty

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 explaining but if that if you

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'll just look more closely you

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'll see that it's

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 really very nice so you don't

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 hand it back to a child and say

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 hey you know come

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 back to me when you have all

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 the production values down and

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 when you know

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 you hit all those cues when you

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're as good as Chris Leiden is

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 you don't hand

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 that back to the child and say

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 this crap where you don't look

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 at a classroom full

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 of art produced by young people

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 you know new people and say you

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 know most of the

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 art that's created in

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 kindergarten is crap we don't

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 do that we don't do that

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 because we love them because we

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 love because we love them we we

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 appreciate

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 their struggle and we we makes

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 it brings a tear to your eye to

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 think about this

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 beautiful new person who wants

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 to say something now understand

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 that I know

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 this is kind of sloppy okay get

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 it but it's true it inside of

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 all of us it's

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 still that little kindergartner

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 who wants to say something

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 beautiful maybe we

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 don't even know what it is but

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 we love the idea of saying

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 something that moves

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 other people and that we've had

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 this beaten out of us we've had

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 this this

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 idea that we're that we're good

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 enough to do a painting we didn

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't need permission

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 to do that when we were

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 children we we believed in our

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 ability to be creative

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 when we were children nobody

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 told us we had to be the best

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 we knew that what we

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 had to say was important so we

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 said it nobody ever said that

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 you had to be

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 better than anybody in fact

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 they taught us the opposite

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 that just being yourself

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 was good enough and it's still

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 true that's my point it didn't

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 change nothing

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 changed we just took some wrong

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 turns we really went in the

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 wrong direction in a

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 lot of ways and thank God we

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 get to correct that now we get

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 to do it right

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 and that means we have to stamp

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 out these attitudes these

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 attitudes that the

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 people aren't their creativity

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 isn't important because it's

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 everything it's

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 what we need to tap into to

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 make this world work and you

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 know Chris God bless

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 you for stepping up to the

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 plate again and you know I'm

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 putting your heart

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 into your work into what you do

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 you're an incredible teacher

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 but you know what

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 they say about teachers is that

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 we always teach what we need to

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 learn the

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 most right so you know it we're

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 on this journey we're all in it

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 together and I

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 think that's the real message

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 that's the real lesson you know

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 Marshall McLuhan

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 said it the medium is the

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 message so it's still true it's

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 still it's still

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 really what we're doing it

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 still is it it still is what we

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 do so you know my

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 motto about this and about blog

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ging is come as you are we're

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 all just folks so

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 that's why I didn't turn off

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 the dishwasher before I started

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 this and

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 that's why I left the roughness

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 in there the stuff that's

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 likely to get me into

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 total shitload of trouble you

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 know even though I am a

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 feminist even though I was

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 raised in a feminist context

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 even though I believe in

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 everybody's right to

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 participate and I don't think

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 that it's more important or

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 less important that

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 men or women or Jews or Gent

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iles or people with disabilities

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 or young or

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 old think that we want

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 everybody's gifts we want

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 everybody to be part of what

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 we're if everything they want

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 to be part of and so anyway

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 that's my podcast for

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 the day it's a it's one it's a

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 17 minute on going on 18 minute

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 special my name is

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 Dave Weiner it's Friday the 13

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th one more thing to call out to

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 Adam Curry who

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 has got his pod show on Sirius

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 is is debuting right now as we

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 speak I wish I

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 could listen to it I don't have

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 a serious satellite radio but

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 you know I'm

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 gonna be listening to the you

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 know what everybody has to say

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 about it good luck

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 to you Adam knock him dead

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 break a leg you know all the

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 rest that shit and I

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 don't know boy okay everybody

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 see y'all later bye this is

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 Dave