WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.960 Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do- 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:05.140 do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. 00:00:05.140 --> 00:00:06.660 Here we go, everybody. 00:00:06.660 --> 00:00:07.660 Morning Coffee Notes. 00:00:07.660 --> 00:00:11.700 It's the 14th of May, 2005. 00:00:11.700 --> 00:00:12.700 And here's Dixie. 00:00:12.700 --> 00:00:13.700 You get ready. 00:00:13.700 --> 00:00:14.710 You get ready to part it down, 00:00:14.710 --> 00:00:15.260 everybody. 00:00:15.260 --> 00:00:18.740 [MUSIC PLAYING] 00:00:18.740 --> 00:00:21.320 (upbeat music) 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:23.900 (upbeat music) 00:00:23.900 --> 00:00:26.480 (upbeat music) 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:52.880 - Everybody, that was the song 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:53.320 that I was, 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:54.370 that was the MIDI that I was 00:00:54.370 --> 00:00:55.320 trying to get to play 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:57.640 the other day and I don't know 00:00:57.640 --> 00:00:58.320 what. 00:00:58.320 --> 00:00:59.190 I don't know what was going 00:00:59.190 --> 00:00:59.580 wrong. 00:00:59.580 --> 00:01:01.980 I mean, it wasn't music MIDI 00:01:01.980 --> 00:01:03.640 day here at the beach 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:06.750 because today I went to the 00:01:06.750 --> 00:01:07.900 site and I thought, 00:01:07.900 --> 00:01:09.760 okay, you know, I've got to get 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:10.840 this music to play. 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:12.690 It's like, that's gonna make me 00:01:12.690 --> 00:01:13.360 feel happy. 00:01:13.360 --> 00:01:16.910 And so I went to the site and 00:01:16.910 --> 00:01:17.920 thought, 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:19.330 okay, I'll fiddle around some 00:01:19.330 --> 00:01:21.000 here and there or whatever. 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:23.320 And I clicked on play and gosh, 00:01:23.320 --> 00:01:24.600 it didn't start playing. 00:01:24.600 --> 00:01:26.190 So what the hell's going on 00:01:26.190 --> 00:01:26.840 there? 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.110 Anyway, so let's do that one 00:01:30.110 --> 00:01:31.840 more time. 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:33.590 This is a song I was trying to 00:01:33.590 --> 00:01:34.840 get to play the other day 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:37.710 and I spent, God knows, 40 00:01:37.710 --> 00:01:39.840 minutes on a podcast 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:41.100 trying to make that music 00:01:41.100 --> 00:01:41.480 happen. 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:42.800 And it just didn't happen. 00:01:42.800 --> 00:01:43.880 And then today, of course, 00:01:43.880 --> 00:01:44.320 there it is. 00:01:44.320 --> 00:01:46.520 So we only put the arches down. 00:01:46.520 --> 00:01:47.960 So that's how I'm doing, 00:01:47.960 --> 00:01:50.180 recording like about half of my 00:01:50.180 --> 00:01:50.880 podcasts 00:01:50.880 --> 00:01:52.910 are being recorded these days 00:01:52.910 --> 00:01:53.600 via Arcos. 00:01:53.600 --> 00:01:55.510 And the other half I'm just 00:01:55.510 --> 00:01:56.400 doing on my laptop. 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:57.560 So here we go. 00:01:57.560 --> 00:01:58.640 Let's do one more time. 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:01.680 ♪ Oh, wish I was in the land 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:03.400 of cotton old times there ♪ 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:05.110 ♪ And I forgot and look away 00:02:05.110 --> 00:02:05.360 ♪ 00:02:05.360 --> 00:02:07.880 ♪ Look away, look away, Dix 00:02:07.880 --> 00:02:08.840 ieland ♪ 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:10.380 ♪ Wish I was in the land of 00:02:10.380 --> 00:02:11.840 cotton old times there ♪ 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:13.590 ♪ And I forgot and look away 00:02:13.590 --> 00:02:13.840 ♪ 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:16.090 ♪ Look away, look away, Dix 00:02:16.090 --> 00:02:16.920 ieland ♪ 00:02:16.920 --> 00:02:19.330 ♪ I wish I was in Dixie, 00:02:19.330 --> 00:02:21.120 array, array ♪ 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:22.930 ♪ In Dixieland I'll take my 00:02:22.930 --> 00:02:24.520 stand to live and die ♪ 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:27.450 ♪ In Dixie, away, away, away 00:02:27.450 --> 00:02:28.760 down south ♪ 00:02:28.760 --> 00:02:32.200 ♪ In Dixie, away, away, away 00:02:32.200 --> 00:02:33.760 down south ♪ 00:02:33.760 --> 00:02:35.840 ♪ In Dixie, in Dixie ♪ 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:37.200 Okay, one more time. 00:02:37.200 --> 00:02:38.600 ♪ Land of cotton old times 00:02:38.600 --> 00:02:39.160 there ♪ 00:02:39.160 --> 00:02:41.430 ♪ And I forgot and look away, 00:02:41.430 --> 00:02:43.360 look away, look away ♪ 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:45.360 ♪ Dixieland, I wish I was in 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:46.880 the land of cotton ♪ 00:02:46.880 --> 00:02:49.510 ♪ And I forgot and look away, 00:02:49.510 --> 00:02:51.720 look away, look away ♪ 00:02:51.720 --> 00:02:54.480 ♪ Dixieland, I wish I was in 00:02:54.480 --> 00:02:57.040 Dixie, array, array ♪ 00:02:57.040 --> 00:02:58.890 ♪ In Dixieland I'll take my 00:02:58.890 --> 00:03:00.360 stand to live and die ♪ 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:03.360 ♪ In Dixie, away, away, away 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:04.720 down south ♪ 00:03:04.720 --> 00:03:07.970 ♪ In Dixie, away, away, away 00:03:07.970 --> 00:03:09.440 down south ♪ 00:03:09.440 --> 00:03:11.880 ♪ In Dixie ♪ 00:03:11.880 --> 00:03:13.150 Yep, there's nothing like 00:03:13.150 --> 00:03:14.560 singing a beautiful song 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:16.200 in all this Saturday morning. 00:03:16.200 --> 00:03:21.080 So, anyway, what's on my mind 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:21.200 this morning 00:03:21.200 --> 00:03:25.480 is what should I do on KYOU? 00:03:25.480 --> 00:03:26.840 Well, that kind of rhymes. 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:27.760 Let's try that again. 00:03:27.760 --> 00:03:31.480 What should I do on KYOU? 00:03:31.480 --> 00:03:33.550 And I don't even know if it's 00:03:33.550 --> 00:03:34.640 important. 00:03:34.640 --> 00:03:36.610 I mean, I asked for feedback on 00:03:36.610 --> 00:03:39.640 this on podcatch.com 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:44.540 and, you know, what was funny 00:03:44.540 --> 00:03:45.240 about it was, 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:48.770 you know, the sort of two 00:03:48.770 --> 00:03:50.560 schools of thought. 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:51.580 You know, I should try to do 00:03:51.580 --> 00:03:53.200 something kind of unnatural 00:03:53.200 --> 00:03:56.510 and just sort of like do a lot 00:03:56.510 --> 00:03:57.120 of mixing 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:59.160 and integrating and whatnot. 00:03:59.160 --> 00:04:00.930 And you know, that isn't what I 00:04:00.930 --> 00:04:01.120 do. 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:02.940 And I'm gonna trust the guys at 00:04:02.940 --> 00:04:04.200 KYOU to do that 00:04:04.200 --> 00:04:05.770 and that they sort of have a 00:04:05.770 --> 00:04:06.720 pretty good idea 00:04:06.720 --> 00:04:09.270 of what to present on day one 00:04:09.270 --> 00:04:11.000 of, you know, podcast 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:12.640 as a broadcast thing. 00:04:12.640 --> 00:04:16.110 And that, you know, if they 00:04:16.110 --> 00:04:17.080 wanted me to do that, 00:04:17.080 --> 00:04:18.520 well, they would have asked me 00:04:18.520 --> 00:04:19.000 to do that. 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:21.870 And frankly, it ain't what I do 00:04:21.870 --> 00:04:22.240 . 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:24.550 I mean, I got an email today 00:04:24.550 --> 00:04:25.720 from Rogers Kadenhead, 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:27.080 who's my neighbor in Florida 00:04:27.080 --> 00:04:29.200 here, and a friend. 00:04:29.200 --> 00:04:30.350 And it's kind of one of those 00:04:30.350 --> 00:04:30.960 funny things 00:04:30.960 --> 00:04:32.470 where Rogers wrote, there's 00:04:32.470 --> 00:04:33.740 like exactly one book 00:04:33.740 --> 00:04:36.000 on Radio Userland in the world. 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:38.480 And Rogers wrote it. 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:41.600 And Rogers lives like 10 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:43.480 minutes away from where I live 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:45.280 on the beach, and you know, you 00:04:45.280 --> 00:04:45.680 might think, 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:46.940 well, you know, I just chose 00:04:46.940 --> 00:04:47.440 this place 00:04:47.440 --> 00:04:49.260 because it was so close to 00:04:49.260 --> 00:04:50.720 where Rogers lives. 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:51.680 But that's not true. 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:53.240 I chose this place because this 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:53.640 is where 00:04:53.640 --> 00:04:55.560 I've been coming for 30 years. 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:57.680 And I like it here, and I feel 00:04:57.680 --> 00:04:59.080 comfortable here. 00:04:59.080 --> 00:05:02.610 And so, you know, this is the 00:05:02.610 --> 00:05:02.960 old theory 00:05:02.960 --> 00:05:04.710 about there's a little bit of 00:05:04.710 --> 00:05:06.040 God in like everything 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:08.890 in our lives, and you know, how 00:05:08.890 --> 00:05:09.680 did Rogers come 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.230 to live in St. Augustine, and 00:05:12.230 --> 00:05:14.680 how did he end up living here? 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.020 I'll have to ask him someday, 00:05:17.020 --> 00:05:18.160 how did you choose 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:19.610 this particular place, this 00:05:19.610 --> 00:05:20.600 beach, Rogers? 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:23.680 And you know, I don't know, how 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:25.600 did he choose it? 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.100 Anyway, and in case you can't 00:05:28.100 --> 00:05:29.240 place Rogers, 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:30.590 not only did he write the Radio 00:05:30.590 --> 00:05:32.360 Userland book, 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:34.320 but he also was the guy who 00:05:34.320 --> 00:05:35.000 registered 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:37.500 the Pope Benedict XVI site, and 00:05:37.500 --> 00:05:39.240 was on the Today's Show 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:43.090 and every, you know, MSNBC and 00:05:43.090 --> 00:05:44.240 local stations, 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:47.080 and I became a media star and 00:05:47.080 --> 00:05:48.080 became famous for his hair. 00:05:48.080 --> 00:05:50.680 He's got very thick hair for a 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:52.040 guy his age. 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:54.540 It's gray hair, and people were 00:05:54.540 --> 00:05:56.960 all the comic controversy, 00:05:56.960 --> 00:05:59.320 the big controversy was, "Yo, 00:05:59.320 --> 00:06:01.040 Rogers, is that your hair?" 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:03.070 And then people don't get that 00:06:03.070 --> 00:06:04.440 his name is Rogers, 00:06:04.440 --> 00:06:08.770 and Rogers' Cadenhead, and it 00:06:08.770 --> 00:06:09.440 was funny because Rex Hammock, 00:06:09.440 --> 00:06:13.420 Rex Hammock was posting on 00:06:13.420 --> 00:06:16.680 Rogers' site talking about me, 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:18.800 and somebody pointed out, he 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:20.320 says, "Dave has friends 00:06:20.320 --> 00:06:23.600 "who sound like they were in a 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:25.320 mystery novel, 00:06:25.320 --> 00:06:27.400 "or detective novel." 00:06:27.400 --> 00:06:28.460 And you know, it's the, you 00:06:28.460 --> 00:06:29.560 know, Rex Hammock, 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:31.400 it doesn't sound, and you know, 00:06:31.400 --> 00:06:32.600 why does Rex Hammock sound 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:34.240 that way, Rogers' Cadenhead too 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:35.160 , but Rex Hammock, 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:37.130 'cause it sounds like Dash'll 00:06:37.130 --> 00:06:38.360 Hammock, right? 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:41.000 And you know, there you go. 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.010 So I'm gonna sort of nix the 00:06:44.010 --> 00:06:46.000 idea of doing the roundup. 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:47.600 You know, if I was gonna do the 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:48.240 roundup, 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:49.770 well, you know, who would I put 00:06:49.770 --> 00:06:50.440 in there? 00:06:50.440 --> 00:06:52.120 I'd put it in the podcast that 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:52.760 I listen to, 00:06:52.760 --> 00:06:55.550 and you know, it's a small 00:06:55.550 --> 00:06:57.240 field, you know? 00:06:57.240 --> 00:06:58.460 I would sort, and I would put 00:06:58.460 --> 00:06:59.960 in, I would like to see, 00:06:59.960 --> 00:07:01.340 like, you know, and then the 00:07:01.340 --> 00:07:02.260 question came up, 00:07:02.260 --> 00:07:04.680 you know, what do I listen to? 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:05.900 I listen to IT conversations, 00:07:05.900 --> 00:07:06.520 basically. 00:07:06.520 --> 00:07:08.480 Doug, thanks so much, and Steve 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:09.040 Gilmore, 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:10.760 get your ass going, 'cause man, 00:07:10.760 --> 00:07:11.800 I miss the Gilmore gang, 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:14.030 Doc Searles, You Have to Be 00:07:14.030 --> 00:07:15.200 podcasting, 00:07:15.200 --> 00:07:17.440 and the whole Gilmore gang, you 00:07:17.440 --> 00:07:18.440 know, basically, 00:07:18.440 --> 00:07:20.760 I just like the dynamics of 00:07:20.760 --> 00:07:21.760 that thing, 00:07:21.760 --> 00:07:23.680 and even though I thought that 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:24.400 they were, 00:07:24.400 --> 00:07:25.640 well, they were getting there. 00:07:25.640 --> 00:07:26.940 I mean, they were, like, you 00:07:26.940 --> 00:07:27.300 know, 00:07:27.300 --> 00:07:30.400 if they were still doing it, 00:07:30.400 --> 00:07:30.680 you know, 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:31.850 if they hadn't, like, taken 00:07:31.850 --> 00:07:32.440 their hiatus, 00:07:32.440 --> 00:07:35.440 the way Steve did, I think that 00:07:35.440 --> 00:07:36.400 they would've gotten 00:07:36.400 --> 00:07:38.560 to the piece of podcast that I 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:40.060 did a few days ago, 00:07:40.060 --> 00:07:40.860 I think they would've gotten 00:07:40.860 --> 00:07:41.160 there. 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:42.950 They realized that un-confer 00:07:42.950 --> 00:07:44.880 ences, and podcasting, 00:07:44.880 --> 00:07:48.680 and blogs, and into monoculture 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:48.680 , 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:49.680 and making money on the 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:50.240 internet, 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:52.640 and all these things are all, 00:07:52.640 --> 00:07:53.440 and then, you know, 00:07:53.440 --> 00:07:54.840 throw in the Clue Trade Manif 00:07:54.840 --> 00:07:55.120 esto, 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:56.760 which Doc was co-author of, 00:07:56.760 --> 00:07:58.600 and you got a whole sort of, 00:07:58.600 --> 00:07:59.560 like, 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:01.230 it's not about the long tail 00:08:01.230 --> 00:08:02.680 for crying out loud. 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:04.310 The long tail is like, the 00:08:04.310 --> 00:08:05.360 thing about the long tail 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:07.140 is that it's a statistician's 00:08:07.140 --> 00:08:08.000 dream, you know, 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:09.630 it's like, oh, I finally found 00:08:09.630 --> 00:08:10.800 a way I can measure this, 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.100 and, no, that's point number 00:08:12.100 --> 00:08:13.920 one, point number two is, 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:15.540 I can put myself at the top of 00:08:15.540 --> 00:08:16.480 the pyramid, 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:17.880 and that, you know, like, ever, 00:08:17.880 --> 00:08:19.040 that's why it's to hit with the 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:19.680 reporters. 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:21.840 They love it, because it says, 00:08:21.840 --> 00:08:22.560 well, you know, 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:25.040 if they're out in the tail, 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.240 that means that I'm up here, 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:28.720 and I gotta have a pretty good 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:29.000 deal, 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:30.640 because I'm up here, which, you 00:08:30.640 --> 00:08:30.880 know, 00:08:30.880 --> 00:08:32.080 it's 20th century thinking. 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:33.480 It's a transitional idea. 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:34.980 It's sort of like, how do you 00:08:34.980 --> 00:08:35.600 explain 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:38.010 the idea of the citizens, you 00:08:38.010 --> 00:08:39.640 know, being their own media, 00:08:39.640 --> 00:08:41.950 and by the way, the political 00:08:41.950 --> 00:08:42.720 system, of course, 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:44.800 falls under this as well, 00:08:44.800 --> 00:08:47.200 and, you know, you will see 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.520 the House of Representatives 00:08:49.520 --> 00:08:51.480 will be filled with bloggers, 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:53.640 in, you know, 10 years, 00:08:53.640 --> 00:08:55.920 and what the guys say is, 00:08:55.920 --> 00:08:57.170 oh, well, you can never get a 00:08:57.170 --> 00:08:58.000 candidate to blog. 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:59.520 They'll say, no, of course not. 00:08:59.520 --> 00:09:00.920 Where's you can't get a 00:09:00.920 --> 00:09:02.320 candidate to blog? 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:03.720 And they say, well, then, well, 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:04.640 where's your, 00:09:04.640 --> 00:09:05.880 then where's your great vision 00:09:05.880 --> 00:09:06.280 then? 00:09:06.280 --> 00:09:08.160 And I say, well, it's kind of 00:09:08.160 --> 00:09:09.000 like what I said 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:10.290 in making money, how to make 00:09:10.290 --> 00:09:11.120 money on the internet, 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:12.820 version 2.0, I said, it's 00:09:12.820 --> 00:09:14.840 easier to teach a user 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:17.500 to be a manufacturer than it is 00:09:17.500 --> 00:09:18.840 for a manufacturer 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:20.480 to become a user. 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:23.600 And so, the same thing, 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:25.000 just change manufacturer to 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:25.800 politician. 00:09:25.800 --> 00:09:27.930 It's like, it's easier for a 00:09:27.930 --> 00:09:30.400 user to become a politician 00:09:30.400 --> 00:09:32.020 than for a politician to become 00:09:32.020 --> 00:09:32.560 a user. 00:09:32.560 --> 00:09:33.960 And that's the problem. 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:35.370 That's what we've always been 00:09:35.370 --> 00:09:36.520 seeing is our disconnect 00:09:36.520 --> 00:09:38.400 between us and our leaders, 00:09:38.400 --> 00:09:39.780 is that, you know, once they 00:09:39.780 --> 00:09:40.960 become politicians, 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:42.760 then they're no longer users. 00:09:42.760 --> 00:09:44.280 They're no longer, like, in the 00:09:44.280 --> 00:09:44.760 system, 00:09:44.760 --> 00:09:45.780 they're insulated from the 00:09:45.780 --> 00:09:46.240 system. 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:47.610 They have this sense of 00:09:47.610 --> 00:09:49.240 elevation from the system, 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:51.200 and therefore, we don't get the 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:52.960 government that we need. 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:53.780 You know, we don't get 00:09:53.780 --> 00:09:54.400 leadership. 00:09:54.400 --> 00:09:55.680 We don't get problem solved. 00:09:55.680 --> 00:09:57.300 We end up, you know, driving 00:09:57.300 --> 00:09:58.600 ourselves off 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:00.170 of political and economic and 00:10:00.170 --> 00:10:02.280 social environmental cliffs. 00:10:02.280 --> 00:10:05.060 And, you know, eventually, 00:10:05.060 --> 00:10:07.430 we're gonna be suffocating in 00:10:07.430 --> 00:10:09.720 our infumes here pretty soon. 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:11.380 And I don't hear any Rush Limba 00:10:11.380 --> 00:10:12.600 ugh guys telling us, 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:14.190 explaining to me exactly how we 00:10:14.190 --> 00:10:15.160 're gonna, like, 00:10:15.160 --> 00:10:17.520 avoid that, you know. 00:10:17.520 --> 00:10:19.000 They're not scientists, they're 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:20.240 sort of anti-scientists 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.240 and anti-intellectual. 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:24.910 Frank, most of them still don't 00:10:24.910 --> 00:10:26.720 even believe in evolution. 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:27.710 And I'd like to know how you're 00:10:27.710 --> 00:10:28.080 gonna solve 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:29.120 the problems of our planet 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:30.460 when you don't even accept 00:10:30.460 --> 00:10:31.120 science. 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:36.240 You know, like, it's just, like 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:37.880 , daunting, whatever. 00:10:37.880 --> 00:10:40.120 Anyway, where the hell was I? 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:43.080 Yeah, so Rogers, let's pop the 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:43.800 stack all the way back. 00:10:43.800 --> 00:10:45.070 Rogers says, why don't you 00:10:45.070 --> 00:10:46.200 become the dick-cabot 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:47.920 of the podcasting world? 00:10:47.920 --> 00:10:49.560 To which I say, yeah, yeah, you 00:10:49.560 --> 00:10:49.680 know, 00:10:49.680 --> 00:10:50.720 I could do that really well. 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:52.920 I love to ask people questions. 00:10:52.920 --> 00:10:55.170 And I love to hear what they 00:10:55.170 --> 00:10:56.480 have to say. 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:57.560 I like pointing to people. 00:10:57.560 --> 00:10:58.870 I like reading what they have 00:10:58.870 --> 00:11:00.120 to say, you know. 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.260 Can't tell you how many times, 00:11:01.260 --> 00:11:01.400 you know, 00:11:01.400 --> 00:11:02.520 I get an email from somebody 00:11:02.520 --> 00:11:03.120 and I wanna say, 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:04.220 geez, this is really good, why 00:11:04.220 --> 00:11:05.600 did you send me an email? 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:06.710 Why didn't you post that on the 00:11:06.710 --> 00:11:06.880 web 00:11:06.880 --> 00:11:07.880 so that I could point to it so 00:11:07.880 --> 00:11:09.360 everybody else could read it? 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:10.980 So, you know, yeah, it's sort 00:11:10.980 --> 00:11:12.120 of like in my genes. 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:14.240 It's sort of in my upbringing, 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:16.040 it's the way I think, you know. 00:11:16.040 --> 00:11:19.190 And y'all, Rogers also said 00:11:19.190 --> 00:11:20.120 something really charming, 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:21.900 really nice about me that I 00:11:21.900 --> 00:11:22.840 really like. 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.140 He said that he knows how to 00:11:25.140 --> 00:11:27.400 order his unsweet tea. 00:11:27.400 --> 00:11:29.140 Took a while, I mean, they told 00:11:29.140 --> 00:11:31.200 me, you could ask Ed Cohn, 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:32.920 as I was headed south on my 00:11:32.920 --> 00:11:34.960 first trip south 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:36.640 in the sort of grand tour that 00:11:36.640 --> 00:11:37.440 I'm doing, 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.220 this continuing tour of the 00:11:39.220 --> 00:11:40.200 United States 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:41.840 that just won't quit. 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:44.550 He explained to me how to order 00:11:44.550 --> 00:11:46.080 iced tea in restaurants. 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:47.270 He said, first of all, you don 00:11:47.270 --> 00:11:48.320 't have to call it iced tea, 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:49.720 you can just call it tea, 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:51.120 because there's like, 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:52.210 if you wanna order the other 00:11:52.210 --> 00:11:53.880 kind of tea, say hot tea. 00:11:53.880 --> 00:11:55.310 Because, and any of you think 00:11:55.310 --> 00:11:57.440 about it, it makes sense. 00:11:57.440 --> 00:11:59.730 In Boston, tea is hot because 00:11:59.730 --> 00:12:00.680 Boston's cold 00:12:00.680 --> 00:12:02.280 most of the time, okay? 00:12:02.280 --> 00:12:04.780 Or like it gets really cold and 00:12:04.780 --> 00:12:06.360 hot tea is, you know, 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:07.760 it's important, you gotta be 00:12:07.760 --> 00:12:08.840 drinking your hot tea 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:10.360 or hot coffee or hot something 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:11.560 to get yourself warm. 00:12:11.560 --> 00:12:13.050 Well, you know, it does get 00:12:13.050 --> 00:12:15.000 cold in the south at times, 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:16.460 but that isn't the predominant 00:12:16.460 --> 00:12:16.940 thing. 00:12:16.940 --> 00:12:18.520 Predominantly, it's hot. 00:12:18.520 --> 00:12:20.630 And, you know, iced tea, for 00:12:20.630 --> 00:12:21.360 whatever reason, 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:23.400 is really, really refreshing. 00:12:23.400 --> 00:12:24.830 And it's got the caffeine kick 00:12:24.830 --> 00:12:26.440 to it and it's kinda nice. 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:28.210 I love my iced tea, but I don't 00:12:28.210 --> 00:12:29.140 like sugar. 00:12:29.140 --> 00:12:30.850 I just don't like it when I was 00:12:30.850 --> 00:12:31.400 a kid. 00:12:31.400 --> 00:12:32.990 It's the one thing I gave up to 00:12:32.990 --> 00:12:34.400 try to, you know, 00:12:34.400 --> 00:12:35.890 I gave it up, I used to drink 00:12:35.890 --> 00:12:37.320 sugar, soft drinks. 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.870 When I was in my 20s and early 00:12:39.870 --> 00:12:40.600 30s, 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:42.390 and then I wanted to like lose 00:12:42.390 --> 00:12:42.880 weight 00:12:42.880 --> 00:12:44.340 when I was in my early to mid 00:12:44.340 --> 00:12:44.880 30s, 00:12:44.880 --> 00:12:47.230 and I found that I could give 00:12:47.230 --> 00:12:48.000 up sugar 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:49.250 and not really miss it, you 00:12:49.250 --> 00:12:49.680 know? 00:12:49.680 --> 00:12:52.410 And so I started drinking Diet 00:12:52.410 --> 00:12:52.960 Pepsi 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:54.420 and then started drinking Diet 00:12:54.420 --> 00:12:54.720 Coke. 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:59.720 And so I don't like sweet tea, 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:01.260 although I have had a sip of it 00:13:01.260 --> 00:13:01.480 . 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:02.440 Boy, is it sweet. 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:04.070 I mean, it's like, you wonder 00:13:04.070 --> 00:13:04.720 why the sugar 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:06.170 just doesn't like precipitate 00:13:06.170 --> 00:13:07.160 out of it, you know? 00:13:07.160 --> 00:13:09.530 And because it is so incredibly 00:13:09.530 --> 00:13:10.320 sweet. 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:11.890 So Rogers wrote, he says, you 00:13:11.890 --> 00:13:12.080 know, 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:14.220 Dave's becoming a, you know, he 00:13:14.220 --> 00:13:17.080 's becoming a passable, 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:19.260 I mean, he'd quite say it, this 00:13:19.260 --> 00:13:20.240 is what I heard. 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:21.510 He's becoming a passable 00:13:21.510 --> 00:13:22.160 Southerner. 00:13:22.160 --> 00:13:25.260 And I like that, he says, you 00:13:25.260 --> 00:13:25.480 know, 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:28.720 he can almost say y'all without 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:30.480 like embarrassing himself. 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:33.670 You know, yeah, yeah, you know, 00:13:33.670 --> 00:13:34.720 it's like, 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:35.780 I like to think that I could do 00:13:35.780 --> 00:13:36.360 that before 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:39.580 because I went to college in 00:13:39.580 --> 00:13:40.280 New Orleans 00:13:40.280 --> 00:13:43.440 which is deep South and there 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:45.280 are a lot of Southerners 00:13:45.280 --> 00:13:48.660 in New Orleans, it's a Southern 00:13:48.660 --> 00:13:49.240 city. 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:52.660 And so I always felt like, and 00:13:52.660 --> 00:13:53.400 one of my slogans 00:13:53.400 --> 00:13:57.080 was namaste y'all, y'all, nam 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:58.160 aste y'all 00:13:58.160 --> 00:14:01.400 because what I wanted to say is 00:14:01.400 --> 00:14:02.360 that I got a little bit 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:04.560 of the new age from California. 00:14:04.560 --> 00:14:06.230 I got a lot of the new age from 00:14:06.230 --> 00:14:07.680 California, okay? 00:14:07.680 --> 00:14:10.120 But I'm an American. 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:11.880 I'm an American, I'm an 00:14:11.880 --> 00:14:14.520 American, good old USA 00:14:14.520 --> 00:14:17.070 and I can sing Dixie, albeit 00:14:17.070 --> 00:14:18.820 not like, you know, 00:14:18.820 --> 00:14:21.760 Bert Reynolds, of course, Bert 00:14:21.760 --> 00:14:22.320 Reynolds 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:23.450 probably isn't the guy I've 00:14:23.450 --> 00:14:24.160 been thinking of 00:14:24.160 --> 00:14:25.960 about singing stuff. 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:27.360 Yeah, it goes back to my point 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:27.920 about like, 00:14:27.920 --> 00:14:29.140 who gives a shit if you're the 00:14:29.140 --> 00:14:29.560 best? 00:14:29.560 --> 00:14:31.580 You know, I think about what 00:14:31.580 --> 00:14:33.160 Charles Cooper wrote. 00:14:33.160 --> 00:14:35.800 Charles Cooper doesn't get it. 00:14:35.800 --> 00:14:37.890 Charles, my man, Charles, you 00:14:37.890 --> 00:14:39.640 need to like really study up 00:14:39.640 --> 00:14:42.110 on this whole idea of, it's not 00:14:42.110 --> 00:14:43.780 the long tail, Schmucko, 00:14:43.780 --> 00:14:46.320 it's about this whole sea of 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:48.780 information that you live in 00:14:48.780 --> 00:14:50.390 and how the hell is it being 00:14:50.390 --> 00:14:51.600 created, you know? 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:53.220 I talked about this in the 00:14:53.220 --> 00:14:54.360 piece of podcast 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:55.860 which I hope everybody listens 00:14:55.860 --> 00:14:56.920 to, really, I put it all, 00:14:56.920 --> 00:14:58.960 I put it all into that. 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:00.930 I put it all into it, you gotta 00:15:00.930 --> 00:15:02.480 listen to it, okay? 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:04.790 Is that, you know, you got this 00:15:04.790 --> 00:15:05.560 conundrum 00:15:05.560 --> 00:15:09.040 where we want more information 00:15:09.040 --> 00:15:10.040 on the one hand 00:15:10.040 --> 00:15:11.450 but on the other hand, the 00:15:11.450 --> 00:15:13.120 newspapers are shrinking. 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:14.870 Tell me how we're getting that 00:15:14.870 --> 00:15:15.920 information. 00:15:15.920 --> 00:15:17.120 We're doing it for ourselves is 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:17.840 what's happening. 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:19.160 That's what's happening. 00:15:19.160 --> 00:15:21.240 It's love of data, it's love of 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:22.360 information, 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:25.160 it's love of being informed. 00:15:25.160 --> 00:15:27.660 We have become information junk 00:15:27.660 --> 00:15:28.840 ies in this world 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:30.590 that we live in, in the online 00:15:30.590 --> 00:15:31.160 world. 00:15:31.160 --> 00:15:33.300 If you use the web, you've 00:15:33.300 --> 00:15:34.480 discovered how beautiful 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:35.680 information can be and how 00:15:35.680 --> 00:15:36.680 powerful it could be 00:15:36.680 --> 00:15:38.230 and we're just beginning to 00:15:38.230 --> 00:15:39.420 appreciate that. 00:15:39.420 --> 00:15:42.430 And so going back to Rogers' 00:15:42.430 --> 00:15:43.120 email, 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.000 Rogers, you know, Rogers said, 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:46.000 "Well, why don't you become the 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:47.400 dick habit of podcasting?" 00:15:47.400 --> 00:15:48.900 I said, "Yes, yes, yes, I'd 00:15:48.900 --> 00:15:49.400 love to." 00:15:49.400 --> 00:15:51.580 But for, we have yet to work 00:15:51.580 --> 00:15:53.640 out the kinks in Skype. 00:15:53.640 --> 00:15:56.390 Skype is the mission critical 00:15:56.390 --> 00:15:58.440 killer app of podcasting. 00:15:58.440 --> 00:15:59.890 It really is, it's the one we 00:15:59.890 --> 00:16:01.120 're all waiting for. 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:02.620 It's sure a pod scope was 00:16:02.620 --> 00:16:03.280 something 00:16:03.280 --> 00:16:04.520 that it's good to have it 00:16:04.520 --> 00:16:06.160 because now it addresses 00:16:06.160 --> 00:16:08.210 one of the criticisms of 00:16:08.210 --> 00:16:10.000 podcasting that people have 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:11.780 is that you can't ego surf on a 00:16:11.780 --> 00:16:12.560 podcast. 00:16:12.560 --> 00:16:13.740 How can I tell if somebody's 00:16:13.740 --> 00:16:14.680 talking about me? 00:16:14.680 --> 00:16:15.810 Well, pod scope took care of 00:16:15.810 --> 00:16:16.200 that. 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.910 They understand the spoken word 00:16:18.910 --> 00:16:21.200 and transcribe podcasts 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:22.550 into text and then let you 00:16:22.550 --> 00:16:23.440 search them. 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:25.590 So, you know, bing, check that 00:16:25.590 --> 00:16:26.380 one off. 00:16:26.380 --> 00:16:29.120 Ka-ching, you know, let me see. 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:30.600 Check, that's the sound. 00:16:31.040 --> 00:16:34.520 Ka-ching, like that. 00:16:34.520 --> 00:16:35.880 Check it off, it's done. 00:16:35.880 --> 00:16:37.150 You don't have to worry about 00:16:37.150 --> 00:16:37.720 that one. 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:39.190 But the one we're really 00:16:39.190 --> 00:16:40.160 waiting for, 00:16:40.160 --> 00:16:42.460 the more prosaic one, it really 00:16:42.460 --> 00:16:43.760 seems like a shame 00:16:43.760 --> 00:16:45.080 that we don't have it. 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:46.580 First of all, we're waiting for 00:16:46.580 --> 00:16:47.180 the bugs. 00:16:47.180 --> 00:16:49.450 We're waiting for Skype to get 00:16:49.450 --> 00:16:51.560 truly reliable, okay? 00:16:51.560 --> 00:16:54.140 I mean, a really reliable Skype 00:16:54.140 --> 00:16:55.440 would be like, 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:57.000 and it's getting better. 00:16:57.000 --> 00:29:47.390 And I don't know if it's like 00:29:47.390 --> 00:16:59.240 they're making the software 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:00.480 better, actually it can be, 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.090 because I haven't downloaded 00:17:02.090 --> 00:17:03.280 any Skype in a while. 00:17:03.280 --> 00:17:04.310 I think it's just that the 00:17:04.310 --> 00:17:06.000 network gets more saturated. 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:07.320 We get more Skype users. 00:17:07.320 --> 00:17:09.720 And as we get more Skype users, 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:10.640 Skype gets better, 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:12.360 because it's decentralized. 00:17:12.360 --> 00:17:15.850 It's using all of our wires to 00:17:15.850 --> 00:17:16.960 hop from here 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:18.360 to wherever it is we're going, 00:17:18.360 --> 00:17:20.440 and it's a marvel. 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:22.230 But there's one more thing that 00:17:22.230 --> 00:17:23.800 we need from Skype, 00:17:23.800 --> 00:17:24.640 and then we're done. 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:26.320 And then we're ready to shoot 00:17:26.320 --> 00:17:28.840 into the next dimension 00:17:28.840 --> 00:17:31.440 of podcasting, which is we need 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:32.120 the ability 00:17:32.120 --> 00:17:34.240 to record to MP3. 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:35.480 It doesn't need to be a direct 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:36.400 record to MP3. 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:38.110 It could be recording to a WAV 00:17:38.110 --> 00:17:39.200 file as an intermediate. 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:40.520 So it doesn't have to do the 00:17:40.520 --> 00:17:41.960 compression on the fly, 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:43.620 if it can't do the compression 00:17:43.620 --> 00:17:44.400 on the fly. 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:49.710 But you think about it, it's 00:17:49.710 --> 00:17:50.880 like this data 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:52.330 is flowing through this 00:17:52.330 --> 00:17:53.400 application. 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:55.990 So all that we're missing is 00:17:55.990 --> 00:17:56.480 the ability 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:58.040 for that application to capture 00:17:58.040 --> 00:17:58.480 the data. 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:00.390 And it doesn't seem like it 00:18:00.390 --> 00:18:01.980 could be all that difficult to 00:18:01.980 --> 00:18:02.440 do. 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:05.040 So we'd love to do that, Rogers 00:18:05.040 --> 00:18:05.360 . 00:18:05.360 --> 00:18:07.160 It would be great. 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:10.140 And it would be really cool to 00:18:10.140 --> 00:18:12.320 be able to do that. 00:18:12.320 --> 00:18:13.710 And I'm sure at some point, 00:18:13.710 --> 00:18:14.120 that's 00:18:14.120 --> 00:18:15.020 exactly what's going to be 00:18:15.020 --> 00:18:15.560 happening. 00:18:15.560 --> 00:18:16.820 I would love to have a talk 00:18:16.820 --> 00:18:17.280 show. 00:18:17.280 --> 00:18:19.140 I'd love to just say, let's 00:18:19.140 --> 00:18:20.680 give Rogers a call right now 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:22.090 and see if he's there, and ask 00:18:22.090 --> 00:18:23.760 him a couple of questions, 00:18:23.760 --> 00:18:25.120 and then say, well, we've got 00:18:25.120 --> 00:18:26.440 to go and I'll call Ed Cohn. 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:28.240 And I'd say, Ed Cohn, could you 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:30.240 give the folks a tutorial 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.580 on how to order iced tea at a 00:18:33.580 --> 00:18:36.600 restaurant in the South? 00:18:36.600 --> 00:18:37.960 What do you say? 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.550 How do you sound like a Souther 00:18:40.550 --> 00:18:41.240 ner? 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:42.840 Or how do you at least not 00:18:42.840 --> 00:18:45.800 sound too ridiculous as a Sout 00:18:45.800 --> 00:18:45.800 herner, 00:18:45.800 --> 00:18:48.230 as a non-Southerner existing in 00:18:48.230 --> 00:18:49.240 the South? 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:50.440 Why do we care, even? 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:51.960 Well, we care. 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:54.550 Because we remember about those 00:18:54.550 --> 00:18:56.080 civil rights workers 00:18:56.080 --> 00:18:58.540 from in Philadelphia, 00:18:58.540 --> 00:19:00.320 Mississippi. 00:19:00.320 --> 00:19:03.730 And the South has a reputation 00:19:03.730 --> 00:19:07.200 for being a badass place. 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:10.560 And it's not completely undes 00:19:10.560 --> 00:19:11.680 erved. 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:13.280 A lot of the people that I knew 00:19:13.280 --> 00:19:13.760 here, 00:19:13.760 --> 00:19:15.080 when I used to come here as a 00:19:15.080 --> 00:19:17.520 kid, a lot of them were dead. 00:19:17.520 --> 00:19:18.940 And it's not because they were 00:19:18.940 --> 00:19:19.320 living 00:19:19.320 --> 00:19:22.330 particularly healthy lifestyles 00:19:22.330 --> 00:19:22.680 . 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:24.750 They didn't die of old age, OK, 00:19:24.750 --> 00:19:27.040 because they weren't that old. 00:19:27.040 --> 00:19:29.600 They just died because this can 00:19:29.600 --> 00:19:31.480 be a really hard-living place. 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:37.800 So anyway, so then the question 00:19:37.800 --> 00:19:37.960 , well, 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:40.440 what should I do on my podcast, 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:42.440 on the broadcast podcast, which 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:46.340 we need a contraction for, the 00:19:46.340 --> 00:19:47.720 podcast, 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:52.010 podcast, podcast, podcast, we 00:19:52.010 --> 00:19:54.600 'll figure it out. 00:19:54.600 --> 00:19:56.280 One of the ones that I thought 00:19:56.280 --> 00:19:56.880 of doing-- 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:58.560 let's go back to the beginning. 00:19:58.560 --> 00:20:02.470 Let's go to Casso, who's doing 00:20:02.470 --> 00:20:05.560 the podcast software, said, 00:20:05.560 --> 00:20:08.600 some of the ones that I did on 00:20:08.600 --> 00:20:09.600 the road-- 00:20:09.600 --> 00:20:10.440 and I'm not sure if he was 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:12.600 talking about on the road 00:20:12.600 --> 00:20:17.390 in August of 2004, and I would 00:20:17.390 --> 00:20:20.680 be on the TransCanada Highway. 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:23.060 There was some really great 00:20:23.060 --> 00:20:24.680 moments, I thought, there. 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:26.240 I love driving on that highway. 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:28.000 It just had such nice energy. 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:29.660 I wish the highway went on for 00:20:29.660 --> 00:20:31.680 like 25,000 miles. 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:32.980 I wish that highway went around 00:20:32.980 --> 00:20:33.560 the world. 00:20:33.560 --> 00:20:34.920 It would be great. 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:36.160 It's just exactly the kind of 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:36.560 highway 00:20:36.560 --> 00:20:38.000 you like to stretch out and do 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:38.960 lots of miles on. 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.180 If you ever have a few extra 00:20:41.180 --> 00:20:44.480 days going across country, 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:46.960 head north and go across in 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:48.380 Canada, you won't be 00:20:48.380 --> 00:20:49.480 disappointed. 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:51.370 It's really beautiful, it's 00:20:51.370 --> 00:20:52.200 kind of empty, 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:53.410 and the Canadians are really 00:20:53.410 --> 00:20:53.800 nice. 00:20:53.800 --> 00:20:55.140 And they even are nice to 00:20:55.140 --> 00:20:55.960 Americans. 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:56.720 God knows why. 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:03.960 So that was one option. 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:07.550 Another one was the sound-se 00:21:07.550 --> 00:21:10.120 eing tour that I did of Boston 00:21:10.120 --> 00:21:12.640 during the Democratic National 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:13.880 Convention. 00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:14.570 I thought it was kind of 00:21:14.570 --> 00:21:15.120 interesting. 00:21:15.120 --> 00:21:17.880 We went from Copley Square, 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:18.720 where we 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.400 went to get our blogging press 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:22.320 badge. 00:21:22.320 --> 00:21:24.840 We took the T, which is the 00:21:24.840 --> 00:21:27.340 mass transit, the train in 00:21:27.340 --> 00:21:28.480 Boston, 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:31.200 over to Haymarket Square, which 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:32.960 is by Fadiel Hall. 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:35.370 And I interviewed a delegate 00:21:35.370 --> 00:21:38.440 from Iowa, a very young woman, 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:42.280 who is just fascinating. 00:21:42.280 --> 00:21:43.320 I forget who she was. 00:21:43.320 --> 00:21:45.280 She was an Edwards delegate, or 00:21:45.280 --> 00:21:45.640 I forget 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:47.440 who she was a delegate for. 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:48.640 It's on the podcast, though. 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.960 It's on the show. 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:52.960 And it was kind of cool. 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:56.470 I did some from the blogging 00:21:56.470 --> 00:21:58.960 booth in the Sky box 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:02.250 at the Fleet Center, which is 00:22:02.250 --> 00:22:05.840 where the convention was held. 00:22:05.840 --> 00:22:07.000 I did one with Rebecca Blood, 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:08.040 which was very short, 00:22:08.040 --> 00:22:10.920 but really totally a God cast, 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:12.080 completely. 00:22:12.080 --> 00:22:14.280 God was in there. 00:22:14.280 --> 00:22:15.000 That was a good one. 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.860 Then Steve Gilmore's favorite 00:22:17.860 --> 00:22:20.300 is the one in September, 00:22:20.300 --> 00:22:22.480 where I explained why I was 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:23.920 releasing the Frontier 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:25.710 Colonel as open source, and 00:22:25.710 --> 00:22:27.040 what my goals were, 00:22:27.040 --> 00:22:29.790 and sort of the philosophy of 00:22:29.790 --> 00:22:30.400 it. 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:31.960 I had a story to go with it. 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:33.780 There was a story on Reuters, I 00:22:33.780 --> 00:22:34.160 think, 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:36.190 where AP, one of the wire 00:22:36.190 --> 00:22:37.200 services, 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:39.080 about a 108-year-old man who 00:22:39.080 --> 00:22:40.440 took up smoking again. 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:43.540 And somebody had sent him a box 00:22:43.540 --> 00:22:47.000 of Cuban cigars or something. 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:48.170 And he had stopped smoking, not 00:22:48.170 --> 00:22:49.360 because he wanted to be healthy 00:22:49.360 --> 00:22:49.360 , 00:22:49.360 --> 00:22:50.660 but because he couldn't afford 00:22:50.660 --> 00:22:50.920 to. 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:52.780 And he sort of said, well, I'm 00:22:52.780 --> 00:22:54.360 108 years old. 00:22:54.360 --> 00:22:56.120 Why the hell shouldn't I smoke? 00:22:56.120 --> 00:22:59.840 And so that was my story. 00:22:59.840 --> 00:23:01.580 My story was, well, Frontier 00:23:01.580 --> 00:23:03.640 has been around for so long. 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:05.840 It's been through so much. 00:23:05.840 --> 00:23:07.220 It's done commercial, non-com 00:23:07.220 --> 00:23:07.800 mercial. 00:23:07.800 --> 00:23:09.350 It's been a scripting system 00:23:09.350 --> 00:23:10.160 for the Mac. 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:12.040 It's been a cross-platform 00:23:12.040 --> 00:23:12.760 thing. 00:23:12.760 --> 00:23:14.570 It's been the runtime 00:23:14.570 --> 00:23:16.880 environment for Manila. 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:18.710 It was the spawning ground of 00:23:18.710 --> 00:23:20.280 the whole blogging thing 00:23:20.280 --> 00:23:22.640 started inside of Frontier. 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:24.410 The content management system 00:23:24.410 --> 00:23:25.120 in Frontier 00:23:25.120 --> 00:23:28.120 was the sort of lizard brain of 00:23:28.120 --> 00:23:30.440 the blogging world. 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:31.400 They'd go back and look at the 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:33.720 original bloggers in 1997 and 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:34.360 1998. 00:23:34.360 --> 00:23:37.600 They were all using it. 00:23:37.600 --> 00:23:40.490 And it was where XMRPC got its 00:23:40.490 --> 00:23:41.480 start. 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:45.000 It was where RSS got its start. 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.980 I mean, it has really served us 00:23:47.980 --> 00:23:48.840 well. 00:23:48.840 --> 00:23:50.880 And then when I got sick in 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:52.400 2002, it 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:53.940 became really clear that I 00:23:53.940 --> 00:23:55.560 couldn't work on it anymore. 00:23:55.560 --> 00:24:02.250 And I couldn't and be healthy 00:24:02.250 --> 00:24:04.400 or be alive, actually. 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:06.320 Healthy isn't really an option. 00:24:06.320 --> 00:24:08.680 Alive is the option. 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:10.560 Excuse me, he coughs. 00:24:10.560 --> 00:24:12.810 We're reasonably healthy for a 00:24:12.810 --> 00:24:14.760 person of my condition. 00:24:14.760 --> 00:24:18.370 And it was pretty clear that U 00:24:18.370 --> 00:24:20.600 seland, in its new incarnation, 00:24:20.600 --> 00:24:21.680 was just never going to get 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:23.320 around to doing anything 00:24:23.320 --> 00:24:23.880 with the kernel. 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:25.560 I still don't believe they are. 00:24:25.560 --> 00:24:26.200 Maybe they will. 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:28.480 I don't know. 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:30.040 Maybe they will. 00:24:30.040 --> 00:24:33.070 But so I thought, I want this 00:24:33.070 --> 00:24:35.400 thing to continue. 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:37.100 I don't want it-- because there 00:24:37.100 --> 00:24:38.240 's a lot of good stuff 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:40.400 in Frontier that the idea of an 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:42.520 object database and outliner 00:24:42.520 --> 00:24:44.240 as an editor for scripts-- 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:51.010 well, the way RPC over the 00:24:51.010 --> 00:24:52.360 internet 00:24:52.360 --> 00:24:53.600 is integrated into the 00:24:53.600 --> 00:24:54.480 environment, 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:56.730 that's just some of the things 00:24:56.730 --> 00:24:57.640 that are-- 00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:58.700 you just don't see them 00:24:58.700 --> 00:24:59.400 anywhere else. 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:01.320 And they're important ideas. 00:25:01.320 --> 00:25:03.540 They eventually will be core 00:25:03.540 --> 00:25:05.280 ideas in the way programming 00:25:05.280 --> 00:25:06.640 works. 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:08.080 So I did a podcast that 00:25:08.080 --> 00:25:09.200 explained that. 00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:10.930 And then that podcast should go 00:25:10.930 --> 00:25:12.320 with the kernel wherever it 00:25:12.320 --> 00:25:14.680 goes and should explain to them 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:16.280 why I did things the way I did 00:25:16.280 --> 00:25:16.600 them. 00:25:16.600 --> 00:25:18.660 And honestly, I think that the 00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:20.680 podcast should survive me, 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:22.240 as should the kernel survive me 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:22.440 . 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:23.560 These things should have a life 00:25:23.560 --> 00:25:26.080 independent of their creator. 00:25:26.080 --> 00:25:28.320 And then I thought maybe, well, 00:25:28.320 --> 00:25:29.880 some of the trade secrets 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:31.450 that we did, those were pretty 00:25:31.450 --> 00:25:31.920 good. 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:37.450 And then there's the Thunder 00:25:37.450 --> 00:25:40.960 storm podcast. 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.370 It's only 17 minutes long, but 00:25:43.370 --> 00:25:45.080 it kind of gets there. 00:25:45.080 --> 00:25:46.370 And then there's the piece of 00:25:46.370 --> 00:25:46.720 podcast, 00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:49.250 which they say sort of builds 00:25:49.250 --> 00:25:51.030 too slowly to play on the radio 00:25:51.030 --> 00:25:51.200 . 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:53.120 But I don't know. 00:25:53.120 --> 00:25:57.040 I mean, podcasting isn't fast. 00:25:57.040 --> 00:25:58.290 And that's the thing that I 00:25:58.290 --> 00:25:59.240 think that you 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:00.780 want to be wary of if you're 00:26:00.780 --> 00:26:01.160 going 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:04.830 to try to adapt podcasting to 00:26:04.830 --> 00:26:05.640 radio. 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.000 And if your goal is to speed it 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:12.560 up and sort of jazz it up, 00:26:12.560 --> 00:26:14.690 sex it up, or wherever you want 00:26:14.690 --> 00:26:15.320 to put it, 00:26:15.320 --> 00:26:17.040 to make it like radio, it's 00:26:17.040 --> 00:26:17.720 really not 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:20.290 going to be good radio that way 00:26:20.290 --> 00:26:20.640 . 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:22.190 So something that's a little 00:26:22.190 --> 00:26:22.600 slower 00:26:22.600 --> 00:26:26.080 is not such a terrible thing. 00:26:26.080 --> 00:26:28.470 So I kind of thought that one 00:26:28.470 --> 00:26:30.080 was pretty good. 00:26:30.080 --> 00:26:31.820 And then there was one that I 00:26:31.820 --> 00:26:34.560 did on the road in Alabama. 00:26:34.560 --> 00:26:35.560 It was pretty good. 00:26:35.560 --> 00:26:37.130 I thought it might be a good 00:26:37.130 --> 00:26:37.960 one to use. 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:39.380 Or then I thought maybe I'll 00:26:39.380 --> 00:26:40.040 just go take 00:26:40.040 --> 00:26:41.760 a little mini road trip 00:26:41.760 --> 00:26:43.280 tomorrow, drive over 00:26:43.280 --> 00:26:46.430 to Orlando or something like 00:26:46.430 --> 00:26:49.200 that, or to Gainesville, 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:53.060 or maybe even as far as Tallah 00:26:53.060 --> 00:26:53.920 assee, 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:55.820 and find a Starbucks and upload 00:26:55.820 --> 00:26:56.960 the damn thing. 00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:58.040 Do it while I'm driving. 00:26:58.040 --> 00:27:02.410 I don't really feel like doing 00:27:02.410 --> 00:27:04.360 it though. 00:27:04.360 --> 00:27:05.790 Sort of like I think you should 00:27:05.790 --> 00:27:06.680 do what you feel like. 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:07.720 I think a podcast should have 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:08.160 something 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:09.680 to do with what you feel like. 00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:12.480 And maybe this is the one. 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:13.410 I don't think I've used too 00:27:13.410 --> 00:27:14.360 many four-letter words 00:27:14.360 --> 00:27:14.960 in this one. 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.490 And God knows I did open with a 00:27:17.490 --> 00:27:18.000 song. 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.320 And I don't think that the song 00:27:19.320 --> 00:27:19.480 -- 00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:20.480 I will have to check it out-- 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.000 is Dixie in the public domain? 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:24.160 Do we have to play? 00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:25.830 Do we have to pay a cover fee 00:27:25.830 --> 00:27:26.880 to play that? 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:28.520 I don't know. 00:27:28.520 --> 00:27:31.080 It's on the government website, 00:27:31.080 --> 00:27:32.800 I mean, who knows. 00:27:32.800 --> 00:27:34.870 But I figure you play it once, 00:27:34.870 --> 00:27:36.640 play it again, right? 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:37.880 So let's see how long we've 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:38.880 been going here. 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:39.570 I don't think it's been 00:27:39.570 --> 00:27:40.720 anything like 40 minutes. 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:43.280 No, it's 25 minutes seems to be 00:27:43.280 --> 00:27:44.600 the new length. 00:27:44.600 --> 00:27:46.460 We're 27 minutes and 44 seconds 00:27:46.460 --> 00:27:46.680 . 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:50.800 So I think that if we play Dix 00:27:50.800 --> 00:27:53.680 ie one or two times now, 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.040 we're going to hit 30 minutes. 00:27:55.040 --> 00:27:56.670 And I'm going to say that's a 00:27:56.670 --> 00:27:57.960 really good podcast. 00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:01.320 And up we go. 00:28:01.320 --> 00:28:05.320 Right? 00:28:05.320 --> 00:28:06.500 That was-- I don't know who the 00:28:06.500 --> 00:28:06.760 hell-- 00:28:06.760 --> 00:28:07.920 I was telling you that was in 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:09.000 southern, wasn't it? 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:10.240 Yeah. 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:11.600 OK, everybody. 00:28:11.600 --> 00:28:13.340 So we're going to go out on a 00:28:13.340 --> 00:28:14.960 note with Dixie here. 00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:17.080 And I don't know. 00:28:17.080 --> 00:28:18.560 Tune in tomorrow if you find 00:28:18.560 --> 00:28:21.390 out what the hell podcast of KY 00:28:21.390 --> 00:28:22.080 E-- 00:28:22.080 --> 00:28:24.160 the first broadcast podcast in 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:25.640 the great old US of A 00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:26.910 is going to be-- you'll find 00:28:26.910 --> 00:28:29.520 out what it is when I find out. 00:28:29.520 --> 00:28:30.470 Anyway, hope you're all doing 00:28:30.470 --> 00:28:30.800 great. 00:28:30.800 --> 00:28:31.920 Have a great Saturday. 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:32.960 Have a great Sunday. 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:34.940 Have a great rest of the 00:28:34.940 --> 00:28:35.720 weekend. 00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:40.200 Have a great rest of your life. 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:42.680 Here is Dixie. 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:51.120 [MUSIC - Dixie, "DICKSIE LAND"] 00:28:51.120 --> 00:28:52.900 Oh, I wish I was in the land of 00:28:52.900 --> 00:28:54.400 cotton and old tarps there. 00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:56.760 And I'd forgotten the way, the 00:28:56.760 --> 00:28:59.720 way, the way, Dixie land, 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:02.640 Dixie land where I was born. 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.340 Away, Dixie land, I'll take my 00:29:05.340 --> 00:29:07.040 stance with a guy. 00:29:07.040 --> 00:29:10.270 Dixie, away, away, away, down 00:29:10.270 --> 00:29:11.240 south. 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:15.050 Dixie, away, away, away, down 00:29:15.050 --> 00:29:16.200 south. 00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:18.200 Dixie. 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.160 [HUMMING] 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.160 [MUSIC - Dixie, "DICKSIE LAND"] 00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:25.640 [MUSIC - Dixie, "DICKSIE LAND"] 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:28.120 [MUSIC - Dixie, "DICKSIE LAND"] 00:29:28.120 --> 00:29:30.120 [MUSIC - Dixie, "DICKSIE LAND"] 00:29:30.120 --> 00:29:32.120 [MUSIC - Dixie, "DICKSIE LAND"] 00:29:32.120 --> 00:29:47.120 [MUSIC - Dixie, "DICKSIE LAND"]